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About swelling
The most consistent ways for growth, is to take recommendations for the first few doses of a phase, plus when acne, breast elongation or brown spotting occur. This may require more patience, as acne and signs like this may occur less often, as estrogen response improves. Swelling, swelling shape and bloating require more care for keeping gains. When breast swelling shape occurs, there's a higher potential for a reversal of gains.
About plateauing
There is a lot of consistency in evidence based results from the same herb doses for symptoms and according to time of phase, but there are slight variances in body chemistry for different women. Sometimes supplements come in different strengths as well. When there's a plateau for proliferative and luteal phases, lots of saw palmetto and wild yam can be taken to cause acne. It's better to use at least a minimal amount of both saw palmetto and wild yam per day. When acne occurs during these phases, minimal sesame and lots of sunflower can be used once to cause an estrogenic result. Then progestogenic herbs can be used to cause growth.
Anon08
Picture of growth for Anon08 for May.
Menses phase update
For menses, after the first dose and likely other times, minimal sunflower and 10 sesame seeds can reduce spotting, including brown spotting. 10 sesame and 3 sunflower is also useful for lowering bloating and acne for this phase. Also, will check if hops can be left out for the first dose of menses, considering that unwanted signs can be countered by using minimal sunflower and sesame after the first dose.
Estrogenic properties of hops and thistles
Hops has phytoestrogens that target ER-alpha in the breasts which circulates continuously in the body. Anecdotally, thistles seems to behave like this towards ER-beta receptors. It explains why these have a powerful and continuous estrogen effect that lasts for days. At times, it extends a needed estrogenic effect. However, at other times, hops or thistles interferes with the body's estrogen production and causes desensitization.
Supplement efficacy
In one program, the effects of a supplement didn't work completely as expected. It's likely the strength of this supplement was diluted for its intended use. A progesterone effect that is consistent with coconut oil, olive oil, wild yam or saw palmetto wasn't achieved noticeably with a saw palmetto supplement. Proliferative phase has passed by faster in the program Hirsutism04, because the herb combinations required a higher phyto-progestin presence. When, coconut or olive oil was taken with this supplement, the expected result occurred more consistently.
Herb schedule update
Herb schedules were improved and work more consistently for proliferative phase, secretory phase, and with BCP use. There is more gradual growth, and less temporary fluctuations. The BCP herb schedule mirrors proliferative and secretory schedules, based on symptoms. The schedules are also better organized. In these programs, progesterone response is focused on, after estrogen response is started or sustained. Breast wideness and hip growth are focused on.
Updated theory on progesterone response for herb schedule
Focus on primarily on progesterone response, then secondarily on estrogen response for proliferative and luteal phases. Aim for breast widening and hip growth, rather than breast elongation. Overbust measurement may go down, but see that there's more tissue gained from width. Limit sunflower and/or sesame seed used with other herb proportions to: the first doses of a phase, once in the mornings, when there's acne, when there's breast swelling, and when there's bloating. Use no more than 10 sesame seeds at a time, when needed. The rest will depend on using saw palmetto, wild yam, olive oil or coconut oil. Fenugreek will be used when needed. For menses, avoid using high amounts of phyto-progestin herbs, and stay with minimal amounts of sesame.
Progesterone balance
In these programs, estrogenic response from the hips and breasts seem to interfere with each other. At first, there will be growth, then there will be fluctuations as each produce estrogen that interferes. High amounts of sunflower and sesame are useful for when estrogen response is not high enough, such as when there's acne, or for the first doses of proliferative or secretory phases. The balance should be more towards progesterone, enough estrogen, and some androgens. When there's more body tissue to convert androgens into estrogens, less sunflower and sesame are needed. Higher amounts of sunflower and sesame are needed to kickstart estrogen production, when there's too much hormones for the body to convert. There should be enough progesterone, and the right amount of conversion for estrogen balance.
Hirsutism04
Current program for treating hirsutism and increasing hip size.
Anon08: consistent growth
Anon08's, who is in her early 40's, overbust has grown about 1 cm per month. By a different measure, about a cup size per month. Her starting cup size was 30DD UK and overbust was 88cm in January. Hip size was 88cm. By February, her overbust was 89cm, and later of that month, her cupsize was 30E UK.
Herbs with primarily phytoprogestin properties
Herbs and edible oils that contain phytoprogestins, and aren't estrogenic include: wild yam, saw palmetto, olive oil and coconut oil. Fennel is also in this category, but it contains other phyto-hormones that seem to affect LH or FSH or promote menstruation.
Herbs similar to fenugreek
Shatavari (Asparagus), suma (Hebanthe), maca (Lepidium), Passionflower (Passiflora) and kudzu (Pueraria) have similarities to fenugreek (Trigonella), that they contain both phyto-progestins and phyto-estrogens. Their properties likely vary, so they may require a different proportion or a different variation of companion herbs. These herbs are likely to be useful in the amounts and times when fenugreek can be used.
NBE guide
Basic guide, and pointers to get started with botanical breast enlargement: how to make tea, avoiding metabolic edibles, updated herbal breast enhancement programs. This also contains important information for those who are already on a breast enhancement program. There's information on: hirsutism, hip growth, massage and topicals.
Luteal phase program
Proportions and when to use certain doses was greatly improved for luteal phase. Sesame is lowered to 10 seeds when used. Sunflower amounts can be increased. Fenugeek should stay at 1 seed. Bloating symptoms can be treated similarly to acne symptoms. Parts of a recent program showing minor bust growth here, and reduction of bloating and acne symptoms.
About BCP use
When birth control pill (BCP) is used, it's possible that secretory phase doesn't occur. Approach with caution. Don't use hops, or thistles when you're uncertain about the phase which is typically the time secretory occurs. Part of a program on birth control use is documented here.
Adjustment of sesame use
Here are important recent adjustments on dietary proportions and topical use. For the first teas of a phase, sesame is lowered to 10 seeds, so additional estrogen production from the breast doesn't interfere with estrogen sensitivity of the hips and reproductive tract. When hops isn't used, sesame can optionally be omitted to focus on hip growth. This is to assist the body to produce its natural hormones for that phase. For the first dose and for the rest of the phase, lower sesame to 10 seeds, perhaps to 5 seeds. Less than 5 sesame seeds may be too low for its effects to be noticeable.
Topical use
Avoid using topicals (phyto-progestins, phyto-estrogens and lignans) on the hip area, as the effects on the surface may under-represent hormonal effects on the reproductive tract. Normally when hips grow, it's expected to be representative of reproductive health. Through dietary means, the effects of herbs are expected to provide the same effects on ER-beta whether on the reproductive tract or hips. Topicals can still be used on the bust, because it's farther away, and the hormonal effects are expected to be the same throughout on the lower body. Topical use, should also be limited to secretory phase, and be used complementary to the herb schedule.
Maca; Lepidium meyenii
Maca has properties which are likely beneficial to herbal breast enhancement. On paper, its phytohormone properties are similar to fenugreek's. Therefore, its use should be limited to when fenugreek is used, and in similar amounts to fenugreek. In addition, maca is beneficial to lessen metabolic tissue loss. Maca is also already well known for its nutritional value.
Hirsutism02 journal
Her hair conditions improved: body hair lowered, and scalp hair has grown back. There were noticeable but minor gains in breast and hip size.
Jellies's NBE results
Before and after of Jellie's breast growth, from about 1 month on a herb program. Latest picture is of February 10, 2020. She also had described hip growth, that is not shown in pictures. [Results are from a C cup to an E cup.]
Breast Development and Endocrinology, 3rd Ed
Expanded and clarified details for Breast Development and Endocrinology 3rd edition. From now on, this will be volume 1. These edits will reflect in Super Bazongas. Herb schedule will be edited, but same herb combinations will be used as basis. Future releases of Super Bazongas will be volume 2.
Super Bazongas, volume 2; note
Super Bazongas, Vol 2, is currently unavailable. It will be updated at a later time. See program journals for more recent information.