These herb programs have been constantly evolving. Earlier herb recommendations have worked, but were primative or inconsistent for everyone. There is also an effort to make herb programs safer and better for reproductive health.
Herbs which can be used together have been narrowed down. Proportions are often as important as the herb combinations used for consistent results. As the theory has improved, the amount of trial and error is reduced for potential herb substitutions. There is commentary on what doesn't work and what is unlikely to work in many of these programs.
Many programs journal the improvements in the herbal combinations used per timing of phases. Over time, this information becomes cluttered, as more information is added. Newer herb programs are often improved, as they pick up from the latter improvements. Information from newer programs gets more simplified than the last, but it still has to be picked up from later entries. It's easier to notice these improvements, for those who watched these programs from earlier on.
Super Bazongas and other programs redirect to this page. For basics, including the first part of Super Bazongas, see breast-endocrinology.pdf. It is important to read precautions, before getting started. See the appendixes for additional useful resources.
It's important to keep track of body signs. For reproductive health, hips should grow and not fluctuate much. It's ok for bust to fluctuate a bit. Keep track of body temperature. Temperature may change after a tea or herb dose, then fluctuate the next day; afterwards temperature should not be abnormally high. Also, if you're unsure of the current phase, wait a day or two after taking a herbal dose (or any other hormonal application) to check signs of mucus and temperature, because herbs can temporarily affect this. If you're still unsure, wait for next menses before starting a program. Menses should be light, and of a short duration.
To determine phase, see:
These are the current programs to follow:
These programs are also intended for those with hirsutism. More care has to be taken for those with a history of hormone imbalances.
With herb programs, always start out with small doses, to confirm that it's working. Then only increase certain amounts when you're confident that it's working. Use smaller amounts when there's less tissue mass to convert progesterone metabolites. Some doses are intended to remain in small amounts.
Herb/seed schedules for some phases can optionally be skipped. The herb schedule for menses is only intended if menstruation is heavy, if there's a significant hormone imbalance or if there's acne. If a break needs to be taken, skip a whole phase, or gradually reduce the amount of herbs/seeds to minimal amounts, and stop at a dose that doesn't require sesame or sunflower seed.
With newer program updates, tea isn't needed. Along with an improvement, hops and fennel are no longer used for the first dose of secretory (luteal) phase, so tea is no longer needed for this phase.
Use of mints and fennel has been reduced: they're no longer used for the first doses of any phase, and they're omitted from menses and proliferative phases.
How to follow herb schedules?
I’ve gone through about 80 percent of the site, and I’m still confused [about] the different herb schedules: do we pick a single one to do or we follow all of them at their different periods the same time?
Start on this page. From these, all of the phases don't have to be followed. The herb schedule for menses is only recommended, if: intensity is heavy, duration is long, there's acne, there's bloating, there's brown spotting, or there's another symptom. The herb program for proliferative phase is expected to cause minor gains. When using BCP, the proliferative-like phase is where growth can be made. The herb schedule where gains can be expected, and where the herb schedule needs improvement for consistency is for luteal phase.
My breasts are also very small: they measure at a 30 cm A cup. There is very little breast fat, so i wonder if the program will work for me? Or do i need to gain weight before i start? I’m 18, 5’1 tall and weigh 46kg.
For these schedules, consistent growth is expected as long as there's signs of acne, and for the first doses of a phase. Growth is caused other times, though, but effort is still being done to make these more consistent.
Weight gain can be done with the herb program. What's important is to avoid caffeine or other metabolic foods, and compensate by eating healthy fats and carbs should they be eaten. It may help to find an affordable and easy way to prepare staple foods.
A cup and a half size increase can be expected. When the schedule improves, more growth can be expected. The common setback with the herb schedule now is, fluctuations, especially that occur during menses.
Thank you so much
Which herbs and seeds are needed?
Powdered form can include capsules here.
powdered saw palmetto or wild yam
powdered or whole hops or thistles
olive or coconut oil can replace saw palmetto or wild yam
barley seed and possibly pumpkin seed could replace sunflower seed
sunflower seed oil, flaxseed oil and lavender have the same properties, but would be easy to overdo and would be difficult to get the precise amounts for these purposes
powdered fenugreek, sunflower and sesame could be used, but these would be more difficult to measure
asparagus (shatavari) root, or maca have similarities to fenugreek
There are pictures of significant breast enlargement for Anon08 from the latest herb programs.
Supplement lacking expected effect.
In one program, the effects of a supplement didn't work completely as expected.
Proliferative phase has passed by faster in the program Hirsutism04, because a progestin effect consistent with coconut oil, olive oil, wild yam or saw palmetto was lacking. It's likely the strength of the saw palmetto supplement taken was diluted for its intended use. When, coconut or olive oil was taken with this saw palmetto supplement, the expected result occurred more consistently.
Programs treating hirsutism and other symptoms
Programs for treating hirsutism were intended to improve hormone balance by increasing estrogen response for relevant receptors while providing phytoprogestins.
Cases 4 and 5 are current hirsutisms program, which use the latest herb schedule in the section above. More care and precaution has to be taken for those with hormone imbalances.
For those who've had a history of hormonal imbalances, limit sesame to minimal amounts. Minimal sesame seed is only required with hops, for the first dose of a phase, and when there's acne. Other times, focus on hip growth, and allow breast growth to be secondary to hip growth.
Hirsutism now has its own topic page for this and for more details: Hirsutism-topic.
I am looking through the website and a great amount of information ☺️ should I read the ebook first as a start or is there a section for a complete newbie like me? I am also on a progesterone implant so I can skip periods and they come at anytime. Thanks!!
The ebook is a short read, but it can be skipped unless there is difficulty with the programs. Follow the latest program of BCP01, which is based on the Proliferative program. BCP01 is an updated program of Jellie's program. When menstruation occurs, and it's heavy, you can use the Menses program.
This webpage is a good starting point. A lot of internal links needed for starting a program are on this webpage.
For hip growth, follow the main programs of Menses, Proliferative and Luteal. If you're using birth control pills, see BCP01. Sesame seed could be lowered for these programs. Minimal sesame seed is required with hops.
Ideally, mints and fennel would be omitted.
Basic nutrition is necessary for health. See nutrition for more.
Fiber including from herbs is important for health. Left over herbs from the tea can be eaten.
Metabolic herbs/foods/supplements/spices can cause breast and hip shrinkage, and lowered estrogen response when taken with a herbal tea that would otherwise cause growth and other positive results. In a few herbal programs, metabolic foods often interfered with progress.
There can be growth while using caffeine, however, this has been widening which suggests this growth from progesterone. Metabolic foods/spices seem to lower estrogenic response, which will not help with long term growth and it is unhealthy to lower estrogen response.
In a few cases, metabolic foods or spices were overcome for at least a short period of time. Sometimes a diet includes spices such as tumeric in curry or hot peppers. In diets where eating metabolic edibles was infrequent, small amounts of dairy helped offset shrinkage. In one case, there was consistent breast growth and balanced hormones, but after ginger was taken without enough olive or coconut oil, hot-flashes occurred the next day.
For a more difficult program: metabolic edibles were lowered, and potato and dairy products were eaten before and after this food, and there was an estrogen response and minor growth. This may not be guaranteed, while metabolic foods still have to be compensated for when the body continues to produce hormones after a tea or dose was taken. Complex carbohydrates, proteins and fats may have to be increased.
Making herbal tea
For making herbal tea, the water just has to reach boiling, which means the temperature is 212°F or 100°C, or has to reach below boiling. Once water boils, its temperature cannot go higher in conventional settings, so boiling the water for a longer duration does not serve a purpose.
Avoid cookware with aluminum surfaces.
A portable induction cooktop with an induction capable saucepan or teakettle to boil water is convenient. This boils water quickly (in under two minutes), and it can be set to automatically turn off. Some induction cooktop interfaces are easier to set cooking time than others. Conventional electric and gas stoves take longer to heat, and they must be watched.
If using a microwave to boil water, be sure the ceramic cupware is labeled as microwave safe.
Using the hot water dispenser from a coffee maker is another alternative to preparing herb combinations. The water from a hot water dispenser used for making tea doesn't have to be at boiling temperature. If the tea is made the same way as the coffee is made, the coffee remains can have an effect on the herbal tea. Coffee has slightly androgenic properties.
Use a tea or coffee cup for preparing or drinking, because the handle lets you hold it while it's hot. Ice cubes or additional room temperature water can be added to cool the tea down. Adding cold water can crack the ceramic cup, which consuming the contents from is a hazard to health.
Adding herbs or seeds
While the water is still hot, but no longer boiling, the herbs can be added and stirred in. Herbs and seeds can be added directly to hot water: a tea bag isn't needed. Allow the tea to cool. Remaining herbs and seeds should be eaten after the tea is taken. Crushing the seeds before making the tea isn't needed, if the remaining seeds and herbs are eaten afterwards.
For parts of the herb schedule, 1 fenugreek seed is enough. Other times, more fenugreek seed is needed than sunflower, flax or barley seeds.
Herbs and seeds can be taken not as tea, but there's a possibility of it having a varying effect or not being as effective. Tea is recommended for the herb schedule of the only dose of menses, if this is applicable. With the newer herb schedules, tea is no longer needed, because hops and/or fennel use are no longer recommended for the first teas of secretory/luteal phase. Hops and other strong estrogens aren't recommended for proliferative phase at all. Additional sunflower, sesame and fenugreek seed, that doesn't require other herbs/seeds, in the mid part of a phase doesn't always have to be as tea.
Lightly massage the areola to expect prolactin effects on the breasts and body. Massage can be used when signs of androgens or estrogens are high: for instance, if menses is heavy, or hip temperature is high. Secretory is another time areola massage can be used.
Topicals should be avoided on the hips, because there could be an imbalanced effect of a positive effect on the surface, and under determined effect internally. If topicals are used on the bust, and herbs are used through a dietary program, effects on the hips and reproductive tract are expected to be similar, and can be compensated for. Steroidal hormones are expected to have a more equal effect on the same receptors if herbs are taken internally.
Estrogen cream isn't recommended. If it's used, avoid estrogen cream during menses, proliferative and premenstrual phases.
Bovine ovary and animal placentas have caused more problems than they solved. They should be avoided for those with a history of hormone imbalances. These should definitely be avoided for menses and proliferative phases. Their use for secretory and premenstrual phases is undetermined.
Reminder that evening primrose is no longer used, because it stimulates FSH release which may be unsustainable for reproductive health. It has been replaced by increasing sunflower seed after estrogen production starts for each major phase.
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