For swelling, and for no symptoms, the herb schedule will be simplified for proliferative phase, luteal phases and BCP proliferative-like phase. When swelling occurs during these phases, 8 sunflower seed can be taken no sooner than once every hour. For some, depending on body composition, they may be able to take up to 15 sunflower seeds no sooner than every hour. Usually, 15 sunflower seeds works more consistently during proliferative phase than luteal phase for swelling/bloating, but 8 seeds at a time is a better amount to use for both phases. If it's the first dose of proliferative, then a smaller amount of sunflower may be needed. For when there's estrogenic signs or no swelling, for both proliferative and luteal phases: 8 sunflower seeds, and a phytoprogestogenic but not heavily estrogenic herb or food can be used with it. The amount of sunflower can be adjusted to between 5 and 10 seeds, as to use an amount that doesn't cause swelling or noticeable swelling with it. A phytoprogestin containing but not significantly phyto-estrogenic herb or food, for instance, is one such as: walnuts, peanuts, saw palmetto, wild yam powder, olive oil or coconut oil. Fenugreek has phytoprogestins, but it also contains phytoestrogens, so it will be limited to luteal. It can work during the first dose for when there's not swelling of proliferative, but other progestins work better and more consistently for that and throughout proliferative phase. There are other similar herbs to fenugeek, such as shatavari, though they should be limited to outside of proliferative phase. Another herb that can't be used for proliferative at all, but could be used for luteal depending on signs is hops. Hops use still isn't fully determined for luteal phase. Still need to determine whether this can be taken through ovulation or the transition between proliferative and luteal phases. As for other signs, such as acne, tingling, and premenstrual symptoms, there's still major differences or parts of the herb schedule not resolved in the herb schedules for both proliferative and luteal phases.
Luteal: trying minimal hops again with herb combination
During luteal phase, when there was acne or no swelling, a rice size of hops to 8 sunflower seed, 5 sesame seed, and a reasonable amount of phytoprogestin was tried. The phytoprogestin was any combination of: walnuts, peanuts, wild yam powder, saw palmetto, olive oil or coconut oil. This combination didn't work, as acne started and breasts got warmer, while hips were cool. Needed to revert to combination without hops or fenugreek, a few hours later.
Apples for dietary fiber and to lower symptoms of excess hormones
Will see about apples for reducing swelling and bloating during menses. It has dietary fiber, and doesn't seem to interfere hormonally with the body. Apples have lowered acne consistently in the past.
August herb schedule updates
The amount of sunflower seed to be used together with a phytoprogestin will be reduced to 5 to 10 seeds, as this reduces swelling. Now there's less that has to be compensated for after taking a phytoprogestin. Sunflower will continue to be used to lower swelling, but the amount and timing may be adjusted only for simplicity. Walnuts and peanuts can be used as phytoprogestin substitutes for olive oil, coconut oil, saw palmetto, and wild yam powder. With using these seeds, other food products and herbs, there's now more commonality between the herb schedule for proliferative phase and for luteal phase. However, there's seeds and herbs that can be taken for luteal, that can't be taken for proliferative phase. There's also more variations in what to take for acne during luteal phase than proliferative phase.
Need to see if milk production could be mistaken for nipple or areola puffiness. This could apply to the program hirsutism05. While she had a history of swelling/bloating, and later nipple puffiness that stayed, the incidences of bodily swelling lowered and her hips have grown. Still need to see.
Pumpkin Angel's NBE program
Pumpkin Angel's starting a herb program. Starting: 38DD; 35" bandsize; 42" overbust; less fullness on upper part of breasts; 45" hips; 31" waist; history of heavy menses and brown spotting; on Skyla IUD. The picture on the right is a starting picture on August 2, 2022. She's in her early 20's. Goal: H cup and fullness; ok if hips increase; improve hormone balance; to make menses of lighter intensity and to reduce brown spotting.
Hirsutism05: update, August 1
Breast puffiness keeps coming back for her, periodically, perhaps over an hour or so. When puffiness goes away, upper body temperature lowers. She mentioned that she had symptoms, which may have been estrogenic.
Walnut use during proliferative
This is of case #1 from the hirsutism-topic page for proliferative phase. 1 walnut and 15 sunflower seeds, when there were no signs, then using the rest of the recommendation of 15 sunflower seeds at a time to lower swelling, caused growth. When less sunflower, of 10 seeds, was used with walnut, it [still] caused swelling, which was compensated for with 10 to 20 sunflower seeds no sooner than every hour.
This hirsutism program doesn't have its own program page, but it's mentioned on the hirsutism-topic page. For luteal phase, walnut worked successfully as a substitute for saw palmetto, olive oil, coconut oil and powdered wild yam. Uncertain if walnut will be a substitute for these phytoprogrestings during proliferative phase. She'll try walnut in place of other phytoprogestins for proliferative phase. Walnut is still not a substitute for fenugreek for luteal, so 1 fenugreek seed is still needed there.
Hirsutism05 July update
Her hips have increased 6.5cm from 86cm to 92.5cm from April until now. That's an increase of 6.5cm (2.56"). She's on luteal phase now. In the past, taking 15 to 20 sunflower seeds at a time, no sooner than once per hour caused menses to restart. This time, she'll take less sunflower seed at a time. She'll take 5 sunflower seeds for every hour that there's swelling, nipple puffiness or bloating. With fenugreek, she may take 10 sunflower seeds with it. She'll only add 5 sesame to 1 fenugreek seed and sunflower seed when there's breast warmth, which she'll look for when there's acne or potential premenstrual symptoms.
When hips are warm, avoid sesame, regardless of other signs. There may not be acne, or swelling when this occurs. Breasts can be warm as well. Still avoid sesame. Sunflower is needed when hips are warm. It could be with or without 1 fenugreek seed, depending on signs.
She had heavy menses for this phase. She tried 1 fenugreek seed and 1 sunflower seed twice, but this didn't lower it for her. She mentioned that breasts and upper body were warm, so, she tried: 1 fenugreek seed, 1 sunflower seed and 2 sesame seeds. Results: menses stayed heavy. Hips shrank from repeating fenugreek. Potential adjustments: Fenugreek is intended to be taken no more than once for menses. Sesame is to be avoided when hips are warm. Update: uncertain would work work herbally in this specific situation. Perhaps breast massage should be used. She's now in proliferative phase, where the herb schedule is consistent for more people. Update 2: her hips grew so far from the typical herb schedule of proliferative phase.
Hirsutism, but balanced hormones
When temperature of upper body was warm [during luteal], 1 fenugreek seed, 15 sunflower seeds and 5 sesame seeds balanced hormones, and lowered upper body temperature for her. Lowering sesame to three seeds didn't seem to have this positive effect.
Start of Journal
Entries before July 13, 2022 are related to programs and herb schedule carried over from the main blog. These are carried over to be viewed here, because they're relevant to the herb schedule.
While a consistent amount of sunflower works for more people during proliferative phase, the amounts for luteal may need to be adjusted, depending on person. For proliferative phase, when there's swelling, 20 sunflower seeds at a time works consistently. This amount may be lowered to 15 sunflower seeds at a time. However, during luteal, 20 sunflower seeds when there's swelling doesn't work consistently for everyone. For luteal phase, the amount has to be lowered. If a dose with sesame is being used, then, that amount has to be about proportionally lowered too.
5 sesame may work more slowly than 10 sesame seeds, but it may be a better amount to use with the recommended other herbs for proliferative or luteal, when there's specific signs. Signs of basic breast and hip temperature can be checked for more easily. Less sesame may provide better progestin balance, and less conflicting balance of estrogen receptors between ER-alpha and ER-beta. Now, the first sign to look for isn't immediate breast growth. There's indicating signs which mean to check breasts and hips for warmness or coolness. The herb combinations which include sunflower and sesame are like a reset of hormone balance for the phases, when applicable. This is working so far for luteal, but it needs to be confirmed for proliferative.
State of herb schedule
The herb schedule for menses works for its purposes of normalizing menstruation. Proliferative phase works well, and is consistent for more people. The herb schedules for menses and proliferative are simplified and improved. Luteal phase still needs work. If you have a hormone imbalance, the schedule for luteal isn't ready. Use only the parts of the schedule for luteal, which you know work well for you.
Luteal: variant herb schedules
There will be variant herb programs for luteal phase, that vary more than by herb substitutes. The most basic herb schedule will be similar to that of for proliferative phase. It will be limited to depending when they're called for: fenugreek, sunflower, sesame and substitutes of these. This will be used to focus on balanced estrogen response, while just maintaining progestin for the phase. This one is recommended for those with a history of hormone imbalances. Other variants of the herb schedule for luteal will look at using sesame more often and hops. Another variant which will be looked at is adding more phytoprogestin herbs. Other variants like using minimal clover or thistles will be focused on at a future time, and these will be used for those who really want to use these. Minimal fennel seed use will be somewhere between this. For all variants of luteal, sunflower or a substitute will gradually be used to lower any bodily swelling and create a balanced estrogen response.
Proliferative: breast warmth and sesame
When there's breast tingling, feel upper body of breasts, forehead and armpits if they're warm. If they're warm, the theory is to take 20 sunflower seed and 10 sesame seed once. This may not be needed, because attempting to correct acne often covers this. The need for sesame is also reduced due to balanced hormones which reduce the occurrence of acne and breast warmth. Use of sesame applies to luteal too, however with a slightly more complex herb schedule. Sesame is limited to 10 seeds and always needs 20 sunflower seeds, whenever it's used for proliferative and luteal.
Menses herb schedule simplified
The herb program for menses was simplified and improved. This phase no longer has a different recommendation for the start of the phase and for the rest of the phase. It goes by signs now, of if there's heavy menses or brown spotting, to reduce these any time they are present. There's other signs that occur, but the theories for those aren't as tested.
Composite of programs without BCP use.
Appendix: about breast swelling and bodily bloating
About swelling and bloating. Pictures for identifying breast swelling. That breast swelling has been mistaken for growth. Breast swelling and bodily bloating have to be gradually lowered.
Proliferative phase June 2022 update
The herb schedule for proliferative phase has been updated. This is more consistent. For those with swelling/puffiness or bloating, these symptoms have been reduced. Also, body hair has lessened more consistently for those who have it. Please leave a response if you want to tell that this works for you.
Proliferative phase update
Some have a common occurence of areola/nipple puffiness and swelling. Improvements need to be made to the herb schedule to compensate for this. These will be about the amount of sunflower seed at a time, and about simplified timing based on signs. For simplifying the proliferative phase herb schedule for when there's swelling, the suggestion is eat up to 35 sunflower seeds at once, but afterwards, no more than 20 sunflower seeds in an hour until puffiness/swelling goes away or until hip growth occurs. Then, for those who breast puffiness or swelling is a common occurence, to continue by taking 10 to 20 sunflower seeds at a time (no more often than once an hour) until breast growth occurs. After this, the herb schedule can be reverted to.
Luteal: amounts and proportions to use
For luteal, no more than 1/2 handful of sunflower should be taken at a time. When sesame is used, the amount can be increased. When to take these amounts of sunflower depends on when there's swelling or if it's used with fenugreek. For shatavari use, the amount of sunflower may have to be lower. In this theory, sunflower amounts will be lowered when used with either shatavari or fenugreek. When there's swelling/bloating, sunflower seed can remain at up to 1/2 handful hours apart, though a lower and determined amount will be suggested of 30 sunflower seeds. Sesame seed may be used, but the amount may be lowered to 3 to 5 seeds for this phase only. Sesame can be omitted when fenugreek is used. Unsure if it should be ommitted when shatavari is used.
Sesame seed use
Sesame is suggested only at times for when there's acne, and perhaps for certain conditions during luteal. Its use always requires a varying but limited amount up to 1/2 handful of sunflower seed. For proliferative or menses, the purpose would be to only to reduce acne, then revert to the rest of the herb schedule. During luteal phase, fenugreek use reduces acne during its occurence. When minimal sesame seed is used during luteal, there seems to be tolerance for more sunflower at a time that can be used during that phase, when used with 1 fenugreek seed. However, it's uncertain if this is balanced growth made possible because of the presence of progesterone production during luteal, or if using sesame causes reduced effects of estrogen. The amount of sesame to use for proliferative when there's acne, will remain at about 10 seeds, as this amount may be required to provide the right amount of balanced response. For menses and when there's acne, uncertain whether to decrease the amount of sesame seed to 3 to 5 seeds or leave them to about 10 seeds.
Breast massage, about
Gentle breast massage seems to lower estrogenic response, and keep androgenic response present when used during menses and proliferative phases. Breast massage can be used during menses to help lower heavy menses and cramps. For proliferative phase, when unwanted excess estrogenic signs or arousal become present, use the herb schedule. If the herbs needed aren't available for proliferative, gentle breast massage can be resorted to for purposes of decreasing excess arousal and for lowering cramps. Gentle breast massage can be used during luteal phase, because during this phase the body is more capable of balancing hormones.
Sunflower seed use
Sunflower amounts shouldn't exceed 1/2 handful at a time for proliferative and menses. Under normal circumstances, sunflower shouldn't exceed 1/2 handful for luteal either. Sunflower amounts will stay at 1/2 handful for luteal anyway, for a more consistent herb schedule, and to focus on limiting swelling/bloating with other adjustments that otherwise allow more sunflower to be used. For menses, only 1 sunflower seed at a time is suggested. For other phases, specific amounts are needed based on signs.
Vitamin C supplements up to 750mg can be taken about daily (Tolerable Upper Intake Limit is 1,200mg). Tablets of larger amounts can be split into smaller pieces. Vitamin C is the only vitamin recommended to be taken daily, in large part, because it's water soluble, isn't metabolic, and doesn't have the problems of synthetic vitamins. Vitamin C is good for reducing bloating and protecting from oxidative stress. While vitamin C works better with Vitamin E, it's better to get Vitamin E from foods. For B vitamins, except vitamin B12, eat potatoes. The nutritional content of potatoes counters the metabolic properties of its B vitamins. Vitamin B12 comes from dairy, eggs, meat or supplements.
Hirsutism05 is the current hirsutism program. Hirsutism programs 1 through 4 are archival. There are a few current offline programs: for most, hirsutism has lowered. For one person, inverted nipple was also corrected.
Breast swelling/puffiness and bloating
Breast swelling and puffiness, and bodily bloating isn't real growth. It's associated with corticosteriod hormones that break down tissue. Often, after there's breast swelling or puffiness, a shrinkage will occur. Vitamin C supplements, drinking half a cup of water and varying sunflower seed can be used to help preserve gains and to reduce the amount of potential shrinkage. The amount of sunflower up to use, up to 1/2 handful per several hours, varies by phase. Also, avoid phyto-progestins and phyto-estrogens when there's swelling or bloating.
Proliferative herb schedule improved
The herb schedule for proliferative phase has been simplified and nearly perfected. Uses are based on the first dose, then when are based on symptoms, and for when there's no signs. There's a necessary adjustment based on if there's breast swelling or bloating at the beginning of this phase. Results from this herb schedule are expected to be consistent. This updated herb schedule also reduced hirsutism symptoms for a few women without noticeable negative effects. It has also improved inverted nipple for one person, so far.
Herbs with primarily phytoprogestin properties
Herbs and edible oils that contain phytoprogestins, and aren't estrogenic include: wild yam, saw palmetto, olive oil and coconut oil. Fennel is also in this category, but it contains other phyto-hormones that seem to affect LH or FSH or promote menstruation. Black seed (Nigella sativa) has similar phytohormones to fennel.
Start a program
Happy to start personal programs for anyone for treating hirsutism, for lowering heavy menses, for hormone balance, for hip growth, and for breast enlargement. Pictures not necessary, but welcome. Please use the contact form. So far, symptoms of hirsutism has been consistently improved.
Hip growth; hormone balance
Focus needs to be prioritized to reproductive health and hip growth. Breast growth should be secondary to this. It's difficult to solely focus on breast growth without taking into account of hip growth. Temporary growth and swelling have been misleading before, as additional hormonal effects occur after this. Breasts are capable of producing estrogen, which can interfere with hip growth, and with estrogen sensitivity of the reproductive tract. For menses and proliferative phases, minimal amounts of herbs/seeds will be used mainly for improving hormone symptoms. Sesame's use will be adjusted. Hops and thistle need to be limited to luteal phase, when there's acne.
Fat soluble vitamins
Fat soluble vitamins concentrate where they are digested or used. Use fat soluble vitamin supplements less often, perhaps no more than twice a week. Fat soluble vitamins include A, E, D and K. Vitamin C can be used daily because it is water soluble.
Picture of growth for Anon08 for May.
In these programs, estrogenic response from the hips and breasts seem to interfere with each other. At first, there will be growth, then there will be fluctuations as each produce estrogen that interferes. High amounts of sunflower and sesame are useful for when estrogen response is not high enough, such as when there's acne, or for the first doses of proliferative or secretory phases. The balance should be more towards progesterone, enough estrogen, and some androgens. When there's more body tissue to convert androgens into estrogens, less sunflower and sesame are needed. Higher amounts of sunflower and sesame are needed to kickstart estrogen production, when there's too much hormones for the body to convert. There should be enough progesterone, and the right amount of conversion for estrogen balance.
Basic guide, and pointers to get started with botanical breast enlargement: how to make tea, avoiding metabolic edibles, updated herbal breast enhancement programs. This also contains important information for those who are already on a breast enhancement program. There's information on: hirsutism, hip growth, massage and topicals.
Avoid using topicals (phyto-progestins, phyto-estrogens and lignans) on the hip area, as the effects on the surface may under-represent hormonal effects on the reproductive tract. Normally when hips grow, it's expected to be representative of reproductive health. Through dietary means, the effects of herbs are expected to provide the same effects on ER-beta whether on the reproductive tract or hips. Topicals can still be used on the bust, because it's farther away, and the hormonal effects are expected to be the same throughout on the lower body. Topical use, should also be limited to secretory phase, and be used complementary to the herb schedule.
Breast Development and Endocrinology, 3rd Ed
Expanded and clarified details for Breast Development and Endocrinology 3rd edition. From now on, this will be volume 1. These edits will reflect in Super Bazongas. Herb schedule will be edited, but same herb combinations will be used as basis. Future releases of Super Bazongas will be volume 2.