Luteal phase consists of secretory and premenstrual phases. Transition from secretory to premenstrual isn't always obvious. Some herb combinations are meant to be taken for secretory phase. The rest of herbal combinations will be similar for late secretory and throughout premenstrual phase.
Metabolic foods, supplements and spices seemed to interfere with estrogen production, which has usually caused setbacks, including for this phase.
The program for anon08 for luteal phase is documented below. Results of doses is shown. The regular herb schedule has been updated.
To focus on hips and reproductive health, omit sesame seed from teas that don't contain hops.
For hip and butt growth only: sesame could be omitted after the first dose. Tea with hops requires: 1 sunflower seed, 3 fenugreek seeds, and 10 sesame seeds. Fenugreek must be higher than sunflower, and sesame seed needs to be minimal.
This herb schedule needs to be improved. Because of the body's ability to produce estrogen and progesterone during secretory, a herb schedule can be made ideal for both hip/butt growth and breast growth for this phase. Pay attention to hip growth and hormonal signs.
This luteal herb schedule for hip and butt growth is also the one of interest for hormone imbalances, including hirsutism. Keep track of body signs throughout.
For the first tea of secretory:
rice-grain size of hops
1 to 3 fenugreek seeds
1 sunflower seed
10 sesame seeds
Hops is only meant to be taken once for luteal phase. This tea is meant to be taken on the first day, but can likely be taken any of the first few days of secretory before natural swelling occurs. The first time it is used, it increases estrogen response, but repeating it interferes with estrogen response. Hops may delay the time for acne to occur by days. Possibly, depending on the body's composition, fenugreek may be increased with the first dose by 2 seeds at a time about every month.
An adjustment has been made, that to repeat a dose that contains sunflower seed when bloating occurs. Bloating is a different corticosteroid sign. Also, fenugreek can be reduced to 1 seed for the rest of secretory phase.
Every time acne or bloating occurs for secretory (and possibly premenstrual), the following can be eaten:
1 fenugreek seed
10 sesame seeds
1 or more sunflower seed
Fenugreek amounts can't be too high, or menses can restart. Fenugreek works on ERβ as opposed to ERα, which it won't interfere too much with the effects of hops as long as there's acne or bloating.
A hops barley drink could possibly be taken to replace hops and sunflower seed here. This was intended for 3 fenugreek seeds and 10 sesame seed to be eaten on the side with this. This would be the only time of the herb schedule where a hops/barley drink could be beneficial to the herb schedule. There's one other time, where a hops/barley drink could be used, but use there may not be reliable.
Theory use with thistles
If you use BCP, avoid thistles.
For the second tea, while signs show that it's still secretory phase, and while acne occurs: 3 fenugreek seeds, rice-grain size of thistles, 1 sunflower seed, 10 sesame seeds. This could be days after the first tea which includes hops. Alteratively, this tea can replace the first tea which includes hops. After this, hops and thistles can't be repeated for the rest of luteal phase. Fenugreek should be avoided days after thistles use, possibly for the rest of luteal phase as well. Thistles' estrogenic effects last for days on ERβ, which the body starts producing estrogen. Thistles should be avoided for premenstrual phase.
Then, sunflower seed would be eaten for the rest of secretory and early premenstrual phase. Smaller amounts of sesame seed could possibly be eaten with this. For late premenstrual phase, possibly saw palmetto, olive oil or coconut oil can be eaten with sunflower.
If both thistles and hops are each used once during the same secretory phase, it could be more challenging to balance hormones. If thistles is used, estrogenic foods may have to be entirely avoided for the rest of this phase. Estrogenic foods include: soy sauce and oranges.
Possible topical use
It may be better to not use topical oils or creams on the hips, because phytohormones would have to provide antagonism not only for the surface, but equally within the body for health.
Avoid topical oils for premenstrual phase of luteal. Topical use would only be limited to secretory phase, after the first tea causes breast swelling. Oils would have to be used for the same signs that either edible progestins or lignans are used. Temperature of lower and upper body would have to be monitored, to see if it stays. Signs of hips and bust must be observed, and that they aren't only fluctuations. Stop using topicals, when there are signs of acne and bloating, then revert to a proven herb schedule when you're certain it is this phase and of hormonal signs.
Topical flaxseed oil can possibly be used on the bust when there's breast widening during secretory phase only.
Unrefined olive or coconut oil can possibly be used topically on the bust when there's breast elongation for this phase. The body produces its own progesterone for this phase, so topical use of olive or coconut oil may be counterproductive: swelling caused would expected to be temporary, followed by acne or shrinking.
The documentation of a program for Anon08, will be started here for luteal phase.
Current entry of herb use
For the next luteal phase, on the second day of higher temperature, she took a tea of: 15 sesame seeds, 5 sunflower seeds, 1 fenugreek seed and a rice-grain size of hops. There was breast widening from this. The day before this, she took a break.
For the rest of luteal, she will take at a time: 1 fenugreek seed, about 15 sesame seeds and varying amounts of sunflower seeds. Sunflower amounts can be from 1 to a handful of seeds: less will be used when there's elongation. These don't have to be as tea.
Growth has stalled for this phase. Possibly, estrogen production is maximized and there's not enough estrogenic antagonism. Now, sunflower amounts will be lowered. The schedule will be tried without fenugreek or maca for now because the body is expected to produce estrogen and progesterone during secretory.
Growth has continued for this phase. She took 15 sesame and varying amounts of sunflower at a time. 1 fenugreek seed was removed from this herb schedule, as it seemed to interfere with estrogen conversion and progesterone production, which was high enough.
Around the time premenstrual starts, she had a pimple, then 1 fenugreek seed was added either per dose or per day.
For the first dose, she took: 500mg of maca, 3 fenugreek seeds, 1 sunflower seed and 10 sesame seeds. There was swelling from this, but unwanted corticosteroid related bloating symptoms. Maca was too high, which by literature has similar phytohormones to fenugreek.
When she got acne, she ate: 1 fenugreek seed, 1 sunflower seed and 10 sesame seeds. Symptoms improved afterwards. This may have been repeated one or more times. Symptoms seemed to improve and there was minor growth.
A few days later, her order of hops arrived. For early secretory, but not the first dose, she took a tea of: a rice-grain size of hops, 1 fenugreek seed, 1 sunflower seed and 10 sesame seeds. Her breasts got fuller, but breasts and hips got warm: about 37°C. Later, there were corticosteroid symptoms. Hops can only be used once for this phase.
When she had bloating symptoms and other corticosteroid signs, she ate: 1 fenugreek seed, 1 sunflower seed and 10 sesame seeds. There was an improvement in bloating symptoms. There was minor breast growth from this, that didn't seem to be swelling. This is the dose to be repeated, with the exception of increasing sunflower seed only, for when there's swelling symptoms away from the breasts or when there's acne as well. She has acne symptoms, which more sunflower seed will be used with each dose.
She senses that menstruation may be coming soon. Fenugreek might be increased to up to 5 seeds for premenstrual phase.
She took: 30 sunflower seeds, 10 sesame seeds and 1 fenugreek seed. Her bust is noticeably larger, but still the same cup size. Bloating lessened considerably.
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