Thistles based herbal breast enlargement program
thistles
This is a composite herb program without current BCP use for starting natural breast sizes [up] to E, until G. Programs that continue on can offer updates or continue on under a separate program. This program is also descriptive of those without major hormone imbalances, and of those not underweight.
This herb program focuses on if thistles with or without clover is a suitable hops substitute. Silybum (milkthistles) is the most observed thistles for breast enhancement.
All of these herbs should be in minimal amounts, or an amount equal to 1 fenugreek seed. Proportions of other herbs in a tea combination are also very important.
Thistles seems to require use of sunflower or barley seed for its ERβ antagonizing properties, despite that it was expected to behave with these properties.
Other thistles are expected to have similar properties to Silybum.
This herb schedule is outdated and is for archival purposes. Please see, the program: simplified. It has replaced the programs: proliferative, luteal and BCP01. Menses is a herb program for normalizing menses and alleviating symptoms. To determine when to use parts of these herb schedules, please see: menstrual phases.
For further introduction on starting a herbal program, please see: guide. For information and programs on hirsutism, please also see: hirsutism-topic.
Anon08 is the latest program with pictures of breast growth.
Menses
Thistles use not recommended at this time for menses.
Breast massage and eat apples if menses is heavy or prolonged.
High amounts of flax and sunflower seed caused heavy menses, when used with minimal Silybum, [fenugreek] and hops.
While thistles can cause breast growth with fenugreek, sunflower and spearmint, it isn't recommended, because it causes irregular periods, sometimes with light menses. It also has caused mixed results.
Thistles use from hirsutism02 program
This passage was taken from the hirsutism02 program. It consisted of different combinations of milkthistles (Silybum), fenugreek, sunflower, spearmint and barley. While it has caused breast and hip growth, it also caused mixed results, so thistles is not recommended during menses, especially for those with hirsutism or for those with low body fat.
For the next cycle, once menses started, she took the other half of a tea of: minimal amounts each of fenugreek, sunflower, spearmint, and about 50mg of milkthistles (Silybum). Hops should normally be used in place of thistles.
There was minor hip and breast growth from this. Minor breast increases continued on through the next day. Hair conditions have improved a bit. There were mild cramps that went away. Menses intensity was low for the first day, but increased a bit for the next. Breast massage was used in an attempt to raise prolactin. Menses intensity lowered, perhaps on its own, or perhaps in part to breast massage.
Breast width increased to fit B cup bra.
Minor breast increases and hair improvements could continue for the next few days. She will take a break from herbs until proliferative.
Minor breast growth continued, until the 3rd day of menses. On the fourth day, there was brown spotting. Because of these results, hops should be used instead of milkthistle for menses.
For early menses, she took tea of: 4 fenugreek seeds, 1 sunflower seed, 1 barley seed, and minimal [barley sized] amounts of spearmint and milkthistles.
From this, there was breast widening. Menses is light, with light brown spotting and clear mucus. She will take a break for the rest of menses.
Breasts became fuller, and there was hip growth. Body temperature was 36.5°C, and there was spotting with yellow mucus.
Menses became light and irregular. Breasts stopped growing, and scalp hair got worse.
While there is still acne, tea of 1 fenugreek seed will be used. If there wasn't acne following recent breast growth, a minimal amount of spearmint could be used with fenugreek, to assist with breast growth. Breast massage and eating fiber are also recommended.
That tea of 1 fenugreek seed had a mostly positive result that is perhaps temporary. Scalp hair improved, but body hair increased. Breasts grew in width, and there was hip growth.
Breasts grew, and now they are a small B cup. Hips also grew.
Scalp hair minorly improved, and body hair became thinner. There's also less acne. Breast massage was needed throughout menses, for overly estrogenic symptoms.
Menses restarted early from taking teas with 1 fennel seed too closely together during proliferative.
She took a tea of 1 seed or a minimal amount each: fenugreek, milkthistles and spearmint. Fenugreek was limited to 1 seed, because there lacks an herb like hops or maybe clover. Barley, flax, sunflower and other lignan seeds were intentionally left out. Breast massage and eating fiber is also needed.
There was light flow, minor breast shrinking, itchy scalp and negative mood from this. It needed barley, sunflower or flaxseed.
When itchy scalp went away, she took a tea of 1 each of fenugreek and sunflower seed. Negative mood remained, but breast massage was temporarily helpful for this. There weren't noticeable changes.
Results from tea of minimal fenugreek and sunflower. Hips grew partially back after shrinking, breasts didn't grow. Menses remains low. There's still additional body hair.
Even though milkthistles on paper has phytoconstituents similar to that of sunflower, barley and flax: minimal sunflower is needed with it. Still, thistles effects seem to cycle phytoestrogens around longer than needed during menses, which often prolongs menses or causes mixed results towards the end.
Proliferative
For all of proliferative: thistles, clover, hops and likely pueraria can't be used, because they are primarily estrogenic.
Fenugreek is also estrogenic, but it has just the right balance of progestogenic properties to be used on the first day of proliferative, before mucus starts.
See proliferative for the herb program of this phase.
Take a break for ovulation.
Secretory
Other thistles [than Silybum] haven't been tested, and need to be proven, and seen if they behave the same way [during this phase].
For the first day of secretory, it will be seen about minimal amounts each of: fenugreek, spearmint, thistles and sunflower/barley/rye/flax.
A similar herbal combination to this has worked before for the first day of secretory.
Minimal thistles, spearmint, fenugreek and sunflower can still be tried for the first herbal tea of secretory.
Use of thistles should be limited to minimal (near rice-size) amounts for secretory phase. Thistles can be used for the first herbal tea, and during acne so long as it is certain that it's secretory phase. Thistles can optionally be left off for later teas of secretory.
Use of thistles will be further reduced. It won't be used for the first tea of this phase. Thistles will be used no more than once per 3 days, and limited to only when there's acne. Its use will remain at a rice sized amount.
10 sesame seeds replaces minimal amounts of spearmint for this phase.
Premenstrual
Thistles use is not established for this phase. While it could initially cause breast and hip growth, it's not expected to work ideally here. It shouldn't be tried here for those with low body fat or past hormone imbalances.