Starting size was a B cup and results of earlier herb combinations were recorded a few months before this public blog was started. This program blog continued off of those early herb combinations, and this herb schedule is being updated for consistent and continued efficacy and hormone balance. The maximum growth she had was from a B cup to an E cup. Body temperature which indicates estrogen balance rises and lowers, because she uses herb combinations with ginger to shrink her breasts, between herb combinations not shown in the program blog.
Results from herb use depend upon menstrual cycle phase. Herb combinations that had neutral, questionable or negative effects as described are not suggested. Every herb taken is in tea form, except for evening primrose, which [often comes] in capsule form [and is no longer recommended].
This program is completed, because breast enlargement isn't her goal. The entries below are ordered by menstrual phase, then by date beneath that.
Canadian Belle started a new program blog where there are some positive results documented of the first three days of her breast growth program.
Evening primrose isn't recommended, but documentation of its past use was moved down.
For further introduction on starting a herbal program, please see: intro.
In the past at an undated time, she tried spearmint and hops (in equal and minimal amounts as tea) without other herbs during menstruation. This caused breast growth by the next day, but it was probably temporary. Other herbs added to this often interfered with potential positive results.
spearmint, hops, fenugreek, sunflower
For menstruation, she will try tea of minimal amounts of spearmint, hops, fenugreek and sunflower.
She took 100mg of hops, and 50mg each of spearmint, fenugreek and sunflower all as tea during [early] menstruation.
The next day her breasts got wider, her nipples became more pronounced and areolas got wider.
There were other hormonal effects that were not specific to the breasts from this herb combination. Temperature lowered by .4°C, within a few hours suggesting an increase in bodily estrogen. The next day in the evening she had a headache, that lasted until the next afternoon, possibly from an increase in estrogen. Her menstruation was moderate before taking this, and this herb combination lessened her period to [about] 2.5 days. This herb combination may have slightly lowered body hair, but it's difficult to tell so soon.
Hops should be lowered to 50mg, and [up to] double the amount is intended if menstruation intensity is heavy. Sunflower requires the rest of the combination, especially fenugreek.
She took 25mg each of fenugreek, spearmint, hops and sunflower seed made into tea. Breasts grew about a cup size, and hip circumference grew from 3 to 5 cm after 24 hours. Body hair likely decreased slightly.
Body temperature slightly lowered after 3 hours. Menstruation lasted 3 days and was light.
sunflower, wild yam
She tried sunflower seed and wild yam during menstruation, and there was no noticeable effect from that.
This is expected to cause negative results for those with a hormonal imbalance.
spearmint, fennel, fenugreek, sunflower
She tried a tea made of a pinch each of fenugreek, fennel, spearmint and sunflower during [early] proliferative phase, and there were positive results. Breast size went from a C to a medium D cup, and there was a hip increase of 2 centimeters in circumference.
Body temperature was normal before taking herbs, and afterwards temperature change was insignificant by .1° C. Mucus also increased.
Fenugreek by itself was inconsistent for causing breast growth during proliferative phase, but its effects on the reproductive tract were looked at again. Fenugreek by itself likely had a positive effect on ERβ, but an inconsistent one on ERα. This was the basis for adding fennel, spearmint and sunflower to fenugreek, to provide antagonism on ERα and a better response from other steroid receptors, during proliferative phase.
The herb combination of fenugreek, fennel, spearmint and sunflower is meant to work once, and it may possibly not work for everyone.
Hops (Humulus) increases prolactin, which may impede estrogen production during proliferative phase. Humulus typically hasn't worked for breast growth during proliferative. Suggestions of evening primrose are being removed for proliferative phase, except for rare use. [this entry may have been reported a few days late.]
This growth happened about 24 hours later.
mint, lavender trial
For [anon03] who doesn't have hirsutism, 500mg each of mint and lavender caused breast growth during [early] premenstrual phase. It also caused premenstrual symptoms: this is likely because of estrogen increase.
Body hair changes were not immediately determined. Sometimes they occur immediately, and sometimes those symptoms occur the next day.
The amount was supposed to be [between] 50mg to 100mg each of mint and lavender.
The day before, also during [early] premenstrual phase, she used lavender only. Her breasts grew, and body hairs got lighter. This result was of course in the presence of dominant bodily progestogen or estrogen, not in the presence of heavy bodily androgens.
Lavender is expected to cause androgenic symptoms and breast shrinkage for mid to late premenstrual phase.
Past notes on evening primrose use
Evening primrose is no longer recommended during proliferative. The past requirements for the herb are still needed, but should probably be adjusted.
Evening primrose require[d] sunflower, spearmint and fennel whenever it is used. Oenothera [evening primrose] should be used no more than once per [mid-]secretory phase. This herb shouldn't be used sooner than when mucus starts for proliferative phase. Fenugreek can probably be added to this herb combination.
Unfortunately, evening primrose supplements usually come in high amounts. Use no more than 1 or 2 drops of evening primrose at a time[: this amount is potent]. Use with olive oil or coconut oil. An individual capsule can be diluted in olive or coconut oil for extended use.
Looking back, evening primrose seems more gentle than that of fenugreek or pueraria, but it still requires a minimal amount of: fennel, sunflower and spearmint. The doses of evening primrose are also often too strong, so it needs to be diluted, because even a drop is highly effective.
Sunflower, fennel, spearmint, evening primrose
At a future time during proliferative phase, she will try evening primrose, sunflower, spearmint and fennel. This combination has lowered hot-flashes and body temperature for someone with hirsutism. Fennel and sunflower use may require evening primrose and spearmint for efficacy. The theory is that fennel added to evening primrose, sunflower and spearmint will maintain more permanent results, and allow more consistency.
A combination of evening primrose, spearmint, sunflower and fennel has worked once during early proliferative phase to improve temperature for someone with hot-flashes in the hirsutism blog, but the results [from that] aren't shown there. Variations of this haven't been consistent yet for her, but it is expected to work in this program.
She tried one capsule of evening primrose and 50mg each of spearmint, sunflower and fennel as tea for the beginning of proliferative phase.
After 12 hours, there was breast tingling. Breasts grew in width by a cup size after 24 hours.
Temperature lowered by .2°C, suggesting a minor estrogenic response. The end results suggest a balanced hormonal response, however, it took time for this to occur.
Sunflower, fennel, evening primrose, fenugreek
For proliferative phase, she took evening primrose, fennel, sunflower and fenugreek. Her breasts grew the next day, but her temperature lowered to below normal [35.5°C]. There was also cervical mucus the next day.
This combination is not ideal to take during proliferative phase. It is also not expected to work for those with hirsutism01 during proliferative phase, because it took until the next day to cause breast growth.
Her body temperature normalized to 36.0°C. She also had headaches, which could be a sign of increased estrogen. Minor breast pains came with growth, and there was a minor increase in hip width.
The full combination of evening primrose, fennel, sunflower and fenugreek shouldn't be taken during proliferative phase for those with hormone imbalances. For those who don't have hormone imbalances, it is unhealthy to take this more than once for proliferative phase, because of the few irregular symptoms. The body had to balance too many effects from this combination.
Sunflower, fennel, evening primrose
[This herb combination needs (spear|pepper)mint for better consistency.]
For the first day of proliferative phase, she took evening primrose and 50mg fennel. Before taking this, her temperature was 37°C, and an hour later, her temperature lowered to 36.6°C. About two hours later, her breasts widened to fill her C cup bra. After this, she took sunflower seed, and there was an insignificant increase in breast size, and temperature increased by .1°C.
Her temperature is normally higher than normal, possibly because of low estrogens, but she doesn't have hirsutism.
After taking evening primrose, there is a duration of time where it takes the body to balance out the effects, to get an estrogenic result, that varies for some until the next day. The results add to evidence that sunflower seed works better when it is taken before the effects of evening primrose balance out.
For those with hirsutism01, this is not expected to work during the first few days of proliferative phase.
Sunflower, evening primrose, spearmint
[This herb combination is not recommended, because it lacks fennel.]
For proliferative phase, she will try 1 capsule of evening primrose, and minimal amounts of spearmint and sunflower as tea.
Fennel is removed from this dose, because it targets both ERα and ERβ, and the theory is for there to not be progestogenic action on ERβ for until [it is seen that] estrogen increases for an attempted consistent result for everyone.
She tried evening primrose, spearmint and sunflower. It slightly lowered temperature, within a few hours, suggesting normalizing estrogen levels. The next day, her breasts grew in length, but not width, indicating also primarily estrogenic effects. The effect was a cup size. However, breast size returned to their size before she took this, 5 to 7 days later.
The effect of evening primrose, spearmint and sunflower were temporary, where the effects went away by the next phase. This suggests that the herb combination needs fennel to boost and maintain the effects, either with the first or second dose.
Sunflower, evening primrose
[This herb combination is not recommended, because it lacks fennel and spearmint.]
On the third day of proliferative phase, evening primrose and sunflower was taken, without other herbs. After three hours, there was breast tingling, and another hour later, there was breast growth in length and in width[?]. Temperature lowered by .8°C. These results indicate a balanced estrogenic response on ERα.
Without sunflower, growth usually takes until the next day, or doesn't happen for everyone. Sunflower alone causes breast shrinking, instead of growth.
The next time evening primrose is used during proliferative or secretory phases, additional sunflower will be added after its presence in an attempt to see further evidence of sunflower's effect on normalizing body temperature and for signs of improved estrogen response. Sunflower hasn't worked on its own, and only seemed to work with or after pueraria or evening primrose.
For next secretory phase, she will take evening primrose, fennel, sunflower, mint and hops. Hops consistently causes growth when taken with spearmint. Sunflower and fennel require the rest of the combination. Fenugreek is being considered with this based on results below.
Here are results after taking evening primrose, fennel, sunflower, spearmint and hops during secretory phase. Within 2 hours, temperature lowered from 36.7° to 36.3° which was from normal temperature for secretory phase to low temperature. Headache was a symptom, and there was also plenty of mucus. Within 12 to 24 hours, breast sized increased in width more than in length. There were no noticable changes of hips.
The results suggest an estrogenic effect on ERβ and a progestogenic effect on ERα. (ERα's effects are expressed in the breasts and fallopian tube.)
Evening primrose, fennel, sunflower, fenugreek
She took 1 capsule of evening primrose, 50mg fennel, 50mg fenugreek and 50mg sunflower seed. Everything except evening primrose was taken as tea.
After 6 hours, there was breast tingling and minor breast growth. Temperature was 36.5°C before, and 36.3°C after 6 hours, which is low for secretory phase. The next day, her breasts grew a cup size, and there was about a 3cm (1.2") increase in hip circumference. Breast size increased in width and length, but more in width.
The recommendation is 1 capsule of evening primrose, and tea of 100mg fenugreek, 50mg fennel and 50mg sunflower for secretory phase. If temperature rises, eat dietary fiber, and test if sunflower seed lowers temperature within the next hour, because sunflower will only have a desirable effect in the presence of evening primrose. If there is frequent urination, eat healthy fatty foods. Do not repeat a combination with evening primrose, until there is breast growth. There are two entries using variants of this combination for secretory phase below.
Evening primrose, fennel, sunflower
During the beginning of secretory phase, evening primrose, fennel and sunflower seed were used together. This dosage left out fenugreek, to first see the effects of sunflower seed with evening primrose and fennel.
This dose took until the next day to cause breast growth. For those with estrogen deficiency or other hormone imbalances, this result may not work, because the herb combination took until the next day.
For the begining of next secretory phase, evening primrose, fennel, sunflower and fenugreek will be used.
Evening primrose, fennel, fenugreek
During [the first few days of] secretory phase, 1 capsule of evening primrose, 100mg of fenugreek and 50mg of fennel were used together. Fennel, which lowers follicle stimulating hormone, requires evening primrose, which raises follicle stimulating hormone. Fenugreek is present to raise estrogens, progestogens with androgens, and to nourish the ovaries.
This dosage caused widening of breasts and [of] the [lower] abdominal area. Her cup size was a C. She had mild inverted nipple before, and this dose increased her nipple size. There were no significant changes in body hair or acne.
[Later] herb proposal[s] will add sunflower seed to this combination. [See above for updates.]