Herbal breast enhancement guide

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These herb programs have been constantly evolving. Earlier herb recommendations have worked, but were primative or inconsistent for everyone. There is also an effort to make herb programs safer and better for reproductive health.

Herbs which can be used together have been narrowed down. Proportions are often as important as the herb combinations used for consistent results. As the theory has improved, the amount of trial and error is reduced for potential herb substitutions. There is commentary on what doesn't work and what is unlikely to work in many of these programs.

Many programs journal the improvements in the herbal combinations used per timing of phases. Over time, this information becomes cluttered, as more information is added. Newer herb programs are often improved, as they pick up from the latter improvements. Information from newer programs gets more simplified than the last, but it still has to be picked up from later entries. It's easier to notice these improvements, for those who watched these programs from earlier on.

Super Bazongas and other programs redirect to this page. For basics, including the first part of Super Bazongas, see breast-endocrinology.pdf. It is important to read precautions, before getting started. See the appendixes for additional useful resources.

Herb schedule

It's important to keep track of body signs. For reproductive health, hips should grow and not fluctuate much. It's ok for bust to fluctuate a bit. Keep track of body temperature. Temperature may change after a tea or herb dose, then fluctuate the next day; afterwards temperature should not be abnormally high. Also, if you're unsure of the current phase, wait a day or two after taking a herbal dose (or any other hormonal application) to check signs of mucus and temperature, because herbs can temporarily affect this. If you're still unsure, wait for next menses before starting a program. Menses should be light, and of a short duration.

To determine phase, see:

These are the current programs to follow:

These programs are also intended for those with hirsutism. More care has to be taken for those with a history of hormone imbalances.

With herb programs, always start out with small doses, to confirm that it's working. Then only increase certain amounts when you're confident that it's working. Use smaller amounts when there's less tissue mass to convert progesterone metabolites. Some doses are intended to remain in small amounts.

Herb/seed schedules for some phases can optionally be skipped. The herb schedule for menses is only intended if menstruation is heavy, if there's a significant hormone imbalance or if there's acne. If a break needs to be taken, skip a whole phase, or gradually reduce the amount of herbs/seeds to minimal amounts, and stop at a dose that doesn't require sesame or sunflower seed.

With newer program updates, tea isn't needed. Along with an improvement, hops and fennel are no longer used for the first dose of secretory (luteal) phase, so tea is no longer needed for this phase.

Use of mints and fennel has been reduced: they're no longer used for the first doses of any phase, and they're omitted from menses and proliferative phases.

How to follow herb schedules?

I’ve gone through about 80 percent of the site, and I’m still confused [about] the different herb schedules: do we pick a single one to do or we follow all of them at their different periods the same time?

Start on this page. From these, all of the phases don't have to be followed. The herb schedule for menses is only recommended, if: intensity is heavy, duration is long, there's acne, there's bloating, there's brown spotting, or there's another symptom. The herb program for proliferative phase is expected to cause minor gains. When using BCP, the proliferative-like phase is where growth can be made. The herb schedule where gains can be expected, and where the herb schedule needs improvement for consistency is for luteal phase.

My breasts are also very small: they measure at a 30 cm A cup. There is very little breast fat, so i wonder if the program will work for me? Or do i need to gain weight before i start? I’m 18, 5’1 tall and weigh 46kg.

For these schedules, consistent growth is expected as long as there's signs of acne, and for the first doses of a phase. Growth is caused other times, though, but effort is still being done to make these more consistent.

Weight gain can be done with the herb program. What's important is to avoid caffeine or other metabolic foods, and compensate by eating healthy fats and carbs should they be eaten. It may help to find an affordable and easy way to prepare staple foods.

A cup and a half size increase can be expected. When the schedule improves, more growth can be expected. The common setback with the herb schedule now is, fluctuations, especially that occur during menses.

Thank you so much

You're welcome!

Which herbs and seeds are needed?

Powdered form can include capsules here.

Primarily phytoprogestins which can be used interchangeably:

walnuts
saw palmetto
wild yam powder
olive oil
coconut oil

Whole seeds:

sunflower
sesame

Phyto-progestin and phyto-estrogen

fenugreek

Optional:

powdered or whole hops or thistles

Possible substitutes:

pumpkin seed and possibly barley seed could replace sunflower seed
sunflower seed oil and lavender have the same properties, but would be easy to overdo and would be difficult to get the precise amounts for these purposes
powdered forms of fenugreek could be used in place of whole fenugreek
asparagus (shatavari) root, or maca have partial similarities to fenugreek
fenugreek and similar herbs aren't considered primarily phytoprogestins, because they also have other properties

Efficacy

There are pictures of significant breast enlargement for Anon08 from the latest herb programs.

Supplement lacking expected effect.

In one program, the effects of a supplement didn't work completely as expected.

Proliferative phase has passed by faster in the program Hirsutism04, because a progestin effect consistent with coconut oil, olive oil, wild yam or saw palmetto was lacking. It's likely the strength of the saw palmetto supplement taken was diluted for its intended use. When, coconut or olive oil was taken with this saw palmetto supplement, the expected result occurred more consistently. May 2021

Programs treating hirsutism and other symptoms

Programs for treating hirsutism were intended to improve hormone balance by increasing estrogen response for relevant receptors while providing phytoprogestins.

Hirsutism programs:

Cases 4 and 5 are current hirsutisms program, which use the latest herb schedule in the section above. More care and precaution has to be taken for those with hormone imbalances.

For those who've had a history of hormonal imbalances, limit sesame to minimal amounts. Minimal sesame seed is only required with hops, for the first dose of a phase, and when there's acne. Other times, focus on hip growth, and allow breast growth to be secondary to hip growth.

Hirsutism now has its own topic page for this and for more details: Hirsutism-topic.

Journal of programs and herb schedules

Journal updates of programs and herb schedules. Entries may be preliminary and may need more confirmations. Entries may not be suitable for everyone.

To check swelling point for proliferative, then balance progestin - Updated: August 29, 2024
Proliferative phase used for hormone balance, and to check future refrence of absense of swelling. Estrogenic symptoms shouldn't occur more than once for this phase, then use primarily phyto-progestins....

Herb programs being updated to match information used in herb schedules - Updated: July 20, 2024
Herb progams: existing herb progarms are being updated to match information used in herb schedules...

Nigella sativa - Updated: July 20, 2024
Nigella sativa properties...

Thistles properties - Updated: June 04, 2024
About Thistles properties...

Fenugreek analog - Updated: July 20, 2024
About fenugreek analogs...

Proliferative phase: first doses adjustment - Updated: May 09, 2024
Adjustments of sunflower and sesame with first doses of proliferative...

Breast swelling puffiness and bloating - Updated: May 08, 2024
Reverify higher amounts (for proliferative phase) and timing of sunflower seed to lower swelling. Also, theory of using minimal sesame to increase amount of sunflower seed that can be used at a time....

Lastest chart needs minor correction on progestin amounts - Updated: October 20, 2022
The latest herb schedule chart needs a correction on progestin amounts for not swelling....

Theory on phytoestrogens and ER-beta lignans - Updated: October 17, 2022
This theory is of when phytoestrogens are raised, the amount of sunflower or pumpkin seed can be raised. A phytoprogestin is still required....

Premenstrual swelling - Updated: October 11, 2022
The recommendation for swelling with varying symptoms for premenstrual has to be simplified again to only using 10 sunflower seeds at a time....

Antagonists - Updated: October 11, 2022
The term used is antagonist, but perhaps a definition of the effects is needed....

Armpit temperature - Updated: October 11, 2022
Armpit temperature and forehead temperatures are ways of indicating temperature changes associated with hormones starting at the breasts. Wamness was used as a previous description....

Hops use - Updated: October 10, 2022
Hops use still needs to be figured out....

Swelling: theory on lowering it faster - Updated: October 05, 2022
Swelling has been difficult to lower. It took a limited amount of pumpkin or sunflower seeds at a time....

Theory of Sarsaparilla use - Updated: October 03, 2022
Sarsaparilla contains steroidal saponins and sitosterols which are phytoprogestins....

Flax properties/effects - Updated: October 01, 2022
Flaxseed didn't work as expected as a sunflower/pumpkin seed substitute....

Premenstrual - Updated: October 01, 2022
Effects of herb combinations react differently for premenstural than they do for secretory, or in other words than for the rest of luteal....

Theory for truely simplified herb program - Updated: October 01, 2022
Theory for simple herb program, as the last one intended for simplified wasn't as much as I thought it would be....

Final pieces of herb program: how to get macromastia - Updated: September 07, 2022
How to get macromastia, added to herb schedule...

Simplified herb schedule: any of warm hips, cool breasts - Updated: September 07, 2022
Recommendations for warm hips, cool breasts...

Simplifications for swelling or no swelling - Updated: September 03, 2022
A simplification will be for cool breasts and/or warm hips for either different signs of bodily swelling and no bodily swelling....

Herb schedule is going to be simplified again - Updated: September 02, 2022
The simplified herb scheduled is going to be simplified based on the same basics as the last one....

Theory on areola and nipple temporary increase - Updated: September 02, 2022
Theory on areola and nipple size temporary increase which may have been mistaken for potential swelling...

Updates for recent improvements to herb schedule: late August, 2022 - Updated: August 31, 2022
Updates to herb schedule for August...

August herb schedule update: simplifying - Updated: August 14, 2022
Simplifying herb schedule for proliferative, luteal and BCP proliferative-like phases....

Luteal: trying minimal hops again with herb combination - Updated: August 14, 2022
Seeing about hops in addition to recent combination, for when there's acne or no swelling during luteal...

Apples for dietary fiber and to lower symptoms of excess hormones - Updated: August 12, 2022
Apples for dietary fiber and to lower symptoms of excess hormones. Also, theory of using apples to lower swelling during menses....

August herb schedule updates - Updated: August 12, 2022
Herb schedule updates for proliferative and luteal...

Nipple puffiness - Updated: August 03, 2022
Nipple puffiess...

Pumpkin Angel's NBE program - Updated: August 02, 2022
Program: Pumpkin Angel...

Hirsutism05: update, August 1 - Updated: August 01, 2022
Update for Hirsutism05 program...

Walnut use during proliferative - Updated: August 11, 2022
Update of walnut use during proliferative...

Hirsutism program - Updated: July 24, 2022
Update for Hirsutism program...

Hirsutism05 July update - Updated: July 24, 2022
Update for Hirsutism05 program...

Hip warmth - Updated: July 15, 2022
When there's hip warmth, avoid sesame....

Heavy menses - Updated: July 30, 2022
This person has had heavy menses this cycle. The recommendation in the herb schedule didn't lower it, as hips were also warm...

Hirsutism, but balanced hormones - Updated: July 13, 2022
She has Hirsutism, but otherwise her hormones are balanced. What she took for signs during luteal...

Start of Journal - Updated: July 15, 2022
Entries below this are related to programs and herb schedule use carried over from blog. For journal entries above, click the title for more details...

Sunflower amounts - Updated: July 10, 2022
The amount of sunflower is being adjusted for luteal phase, based on body hormone composition...

Lowering sesame - Updated: July 10, 2022
The amount of sesame seed is being lowered to 5 seeds for proliferative and luteal phases...

State of herb schedule - Updated: July 07, 2022
The herb schedule for proliferative phase works consistently well. The schedule for menses, is simplified and intended to lower heavy menses, and lower brown spotting. For those who have hormone imbalances, the herb schedule for luteal isn't recommended....

Luteal: variant herb schedules - Updated: June 30, 2022
Luteal will have variants of herb schedules, which other phases will only have 1 main herb schedule which vary by use of substitutes....

Proliferative: breast warmth and sesame - Updated: July 03, 2022
Theory for minor addition about proliferative phase, for minimal sesame use, along with sunflower when there's tingling and breast warmth. This is usually covered by use of sesame for when there's acne....

Menses herb schedule simplified - Updated: July 03, 2022
Menses program simplified....

Composite01: programs - Updated: June 30, 2022
Composite of programs without BCP use....

Appendix: about breast swelling and bodily bloating - Updated: June 30, 2022
About swelling and bloating....

Proliferative phase June 2022 update - Updated: June 22, 2022
June update for proliferative phase....

Proliferative phase update - Updated: May 26, 2022
Update for proliferative phase regarding puffiness and swelling....

Luteal: amounts and proportions to use - Updated: May 04, 2022
Luteal phase: theory on amounts and combinations to use....

Sesame seed use - Updated: May 04, 2022
About sesame amounts...

Breast massage, about - Updated: April 19, 2022
About using gentle breast massage, including hormonal effects...

Sunflower seed use - Updated: April 13, 2022
About sunflower amounts...

Vitamin C - Updated: April 12, 2022
About sunflower amounts...

Hirsutism topic - Updated: March 26, 2022
Hirsutism programs 1 through 5...

Breast swelling/puffiness and bloating - Updated: April 12, 2022
About breast swelling/puffiness and bloating...

Proliferative herb schedule improved - Updated: March 26, 2022
Proliferative phase herb schedule simplified and nearly perfected....

Herbs with primarily phytoprogestin properties - Updated: December 18, 2021
Herbs and edible oils that contain phytoprogestins and aren't noticeably estrogenic....

Start a program - Updated: November 16, 2021
Start a program...

Hip growth; hormone balance - Updated: November 05, 2021
Focus on hip growth and reproductive health...

Fat soluble vitamins - Updated: October 12, 2021
Limit fat soluble vitamins...

Anon08 - Updated: May 31, 2021
New picture of growth...

Progesterone balance - Updated: April 15, 2021
Progesterone balance...

NBE guide - Updated: February 10, 2021
Basic guide and updated herb schedules for botanical breast enlargement. Also, an ideal starting point....

Topical use - Updated: January 25, 2021
Avoid using topicals on hip area, so hormonal effects on the surface can be expected to be the same as on the reproductive tract. Also, limit topicals to secretory phase, complementary to the herb schedule....

Breast Development and Endocrinology, 3rd Ed - Updated: May 22, 2019
Expanded and clarified details for Breast Development and Endocrinology 3rd edition. From now on, this will be volume 1. These edits will reflect in Super Bazongas. Herb schedule will be edited, but same herb combinations will be used as basis. Future releases of Super Bazongas will be volume 2....

Progesterone implant

I am looking through the website and a great amount of information ☺️ should I read the ebook first as a start or is there a section for a complete newbie like me? I am also on a progesterone implant so I can skip periods and they come at anytime. Thanks!!

The ebook is a short read, but it can be skipped unless there is difficulty with the programs. Follow the latest program of nonmenses. BCP01 is a composite of herb programs with examples of past and current use, which includes parts of Jellie's program. When menstruation occurs, and it's heavy, you can use the Menses program.

This webpage is a good starting point. A lot of internal links needed for starting a program are on this webpage.

Hip/butt growth

For hip growth, follow the main programs of Menses, Proliferative and Luteal. If you're using birth control pills, see BCP01. Sesame seed could be lowered for these programs. Minimal sesame seed is required with hops.

Ideally, mints and fennel would be omitted.

Basic nutrition

Basic nutrition is necessary for health. See nutrition for more.

Fiber including from herbs is important for health. Left over herbs from the tea can be eaten.

Metabolic edibles

Metabolic herbs/foods/supplements/spices can cause breast and hip shrinkage, and lowered estrogen response when taken with a herbal tea that would otherwise cause growth and other positive results. In a few herbal programs, metabolic foods often interfered with progress.

There can be growth while using caffeine, however, this has been widening which suggests this growth from progesterone. Metabolic foods/spices seem to lower estrogenic response, which will not help with long term growth and it is unhealthy to lower estrogen response.

In a few cases, metabolic foods or spices were overcome for at least a short period of time. Sometimes a diet includes spices such as tumeric in curry or hot peppers. In diets where eating metabolic edibles was infrequent, small amounts of dairy helped offset shrinkage. In one case, there was consistent breast growth and balanced hormones, but after ginger was taken without enough olive or coconut oil, hot-flashes occurred the next day.

For a more difficult program: metabolic edibles were lowered, and potato and dairy products were eaten before and after this food, and there was an estrogen response and minor growth. This may not be guaranteed, while metabolic foods still have to be compensated for when the body continues to produce hormones after a tea or dose was taken. Complex carbohydrates, proteins and fats may have to be increased.

Making herbal tea

Heating water

For making herbal tea, the water just has to reach boiling, which means the temperature is 212°F or 100°C, or has to reach below boiling. Once water boils, its temperature cannot go higher in conventional settings, so boiling the water for a longer duration does not serve a purpose.

Avoid cookware with aluminum surfaces.

A portable induction cooktop with an induction capable saucepan or teakettle to boil water is convenient. This boils water quickly (in under two minutes), and it can be set to automatically turn off. Some induction cooktop interfaces are easier to set cooking time than others. Conventional electric and gas stoves take longer to heat, and they must be watched.

If using a microwave to boil water, be sure the ceramic cupware is labeled as microwave safe.

Using the hot water dispenser from a coffee maker is another alternative to preparing herb combinations. The water from a hot water dispenser used for making tea doesn't have to be at boiling temperature. If the tea is made the same way as the coffee is made, the coffee remains can have an effect on the herbal tea. Coffee has slightly androgenic properties.

Use a tea or coffee cup for preparing or drinking, because the handle lets you hold it while it's hot. Ice cubes or additional room temperature water can be added to cool the tea down. Adding cold water can crack the ceramic cup, which consuming the contents from is a hazard to health.

Adding herbs or seeds

While the water is still hot, but no longer boiling, the herbs can be added and stirred in. Herbs and seeds can be added directly to hot water: a tea bag isn't needed. Allow the tea to cool. Remaining herbs and seeds should be eaten after the tea is taken. Crushing the seeds before making the tea isn't needed, if the remaining seeds and herbs are eaten afterwards.

For parts of the herb schedule, 1 fenugreek seed is enough. Other times, more fenugreek seed is needed than sunflower, pumpkin or barley seeds.

Herbs and seeds can be taken not as tea, but there's a possibility of it having a varying effect or not being as effective. Tea is recommended for the herb schedule of the only dose of menses, if this is applicable. With the newer herb schedules, tea is no longer needed, because hops and/or fennel use are no longer recommended for the first teas of secretory/luteal phase. Hops and other strong estrogens aren't recommended for proliferative phase at all. Additional sunflower, sesame and fenugreek seed, that doesn't require other herbs/seeds, in the mid part of a phase doesn't always have to be as tea.

Massage

Lightly massage the areola to expect prolactin effects on the breasts and body. Massage can be used when signs of androgens or estrogens are high: for instance, if menses is heavy, or hip temperature is high. Secretory is another time areola massage can be used. February 2, 2021

Topicals

Topicals should be avoided on the hips, because there could be an imbalanced effect of a positive effect on the surface, and under determined effect internally. If topicals are used on the bust, and herbs are used through a dietary program, effects on the hips and reproductive tract are expected to be similar, and can be compensated for. Steroidal hormones are expected to have a more equal effect on the same receptors if herbs are taken internally.

Estrogen cream isn't recommended. If it's used, avoid estrogen cream during menses, proliferative and premenstrual phases.

Much of this information is repeated at precautions.

About animal extracts

Bovine ovary and animal placentas have caused more problems than they solved. They should be avoided for those with a history of hormone imbalances. These should definitely be avoided for menses and proliferative phases. Their use for secretory and premenstrual phases is undetermined.

This information is repeated at non-botanical-supplements. More information is at precautions.

Reminder of no longer needed herbs

Reminder that evening primrose is no longer used, because it stimulates FSH release which may be unsustainable for reproductive health. It has been replaced by increasing sunflower seed after estrogen production starts for each major phase.

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