For mid secretory phase, she [took] a tea of: a rice-grain size of hops, 3 fenugreek seeds, 1 sunflower seed, 250mg of sesame seeds, 1,000mg of wild yam, and half a rice-grain size of spearmint.
This tea (of 1,000mg of wild yam, 250mg of sesame seeds, 3 fenugreek seeds and minimal each of hops, sunflower seed and spearmint) caused good growth, mostly in width.
For a few weeks, she will try combinations of fenugreek, sunflower, sesame, and maybe barley, not as tea, on her own.
This herb schedule is outdated and is for archival purposes.
For further introduction on starting a herbal program, please see: guide. For information and programs on correcting hirsutism, please also see: hirsutism-topic. There are programs with images of growth under the category of: Programs. To determine when to use parts of these herb schedules, please see: menstrual phases.
Please see, the programs:
Menses: For normalizing menses and alleviating unwanted symptoms.
Nonmenses: Simplified program for nonmenses which can substitute proliferative and luteal programs.
Luteal: Program for luteal phase. Secretory and premenstrual phases are a part of luteal phase.
BCP01: This program is for BCP and IUD use. It uses the nonmenses herb schedule, but depending on responses to certain herb combinations, the proliferative and luteal herb schedules can be used as well.
Menses: 2020 June
For early menses, she took a tea of: 1 seed each or minimal hops, spearmint, fenugreek, sunflower, and wild yam (about 3 times the amount of fenugreek). [There was breast swelling afterwards, but hours later, width decreased slightly.]
There was growth after taking a tea of: 1 fenugreek seed, 1 sunflower seed and a rice-grain size of spearmint.
She took a tea of: 1 fenugreek seed, 1 sunflower seed, a rice-grain size of spearmint and a rice-grain size of wild yam. There was breast swelling afterwards [, but it was temporary].
For the first day of menses, before a tea was taken, menses was heavy, likely due to teas taken during premenstrual that caused acne. After these teas for menses, menses became light. If a second tea is taken for menses, then the right tea must be repeated every time acne occurs, including for early proliferative, or menses can restart or get heavy.
When wild yam was used during menses, there were more fluctuations. Staying with the first tea of menses in minimal amounts, without wild yam, worked more consistently.
When she had acne, a tea of 1 fenugreek seed caused growth. However, when acne reoccurred, growth went down after missing a tea.
Luteal: 2020 June
It's close to or during premenstrual phase of luteal.
When she had acne, she took a tea of 3 fenugreek seeds, 5 sunflower seeds, minimal spearmint and half a peasize of sesame. Bust grew by ¼. She repeated this same tea later, and bust size increased by ¼ again. [This tea worked again.]
Intended for premenstrual, hours after a last tea, or during acne: 1 sunflower seed, rice-size amount of spearmint, between 1 to 7 seeds of fenugreek, varying wild yam. Wild yam must be comparable to fenugreek, but not too high. Alternatively, when acne occurs, tea of: rice-grain size of spearmint, 1 fenugreek seed and 1 sunflower seed.
When she had acne, she took a tea of: 3 fenugreek seeds, 1 sunflower seed and a rice-size of spearmint. There was ¼" growth around the bust from this. After acne started, a tea was not taken.
Secretory: May 2020
For the first tea of secretory on the 3rd or 4th day, she took tea of: minimal or 1 seed each of fenugreek, hops, sunflower and spearmint. There was minor breast and hip growth from this, and this stayed the day after. This starting point is lower than 35" for bust and below 36" for hips. Starting measurement from underside to nipple is 2½", and this hasn't changed after this tea. [By the next day, there was a slight bit more swelling from this same tea.]
After a tea of 3 fenugreek seeds, 1 sunflower seed and minimal spearmint was taken the next day, there was more breast swelling. Bust size is 35" for this day. There was acne a few hours later.
When there was acne, a tea of 15 fenugreek seeds, minimal hops, minimal spearmint, 1 sunflower seed, and a pinch of sesame seeds was taken. Acne lowered, but breast size hardly increased.
Tea of: 3 fenugreek seeds, sesame and wild yam. Bust is at 35¼" about 12 hours afterwards. Then when acne appeared, she took a tea of 5 fenugreek seeds, 1 sunflower seed, and minimal spearmint. [Results stayed about the same after this tea.]
Next time she gets acne for luteal, she will try a tea of: 500mg wild yam, 10 fenugreek seeds, 1 sunflower seed, rice size of spearmint and a pinch of sesame seeds.
After this tea, breast size lowered by ¼", but then it slightly increased by ⅛". As the slight increase occured, there was acne.
While there was acne, this tea was repeated, except with the addition of hops the size of half a sunflower seed. [Similar fluctuation happened as well.]
Update
From looking at the journal from last year, there were more permanent gains at the start of her program. Later on, there were often temporary gains after each herbal tea. Fennel use outside of proliferative phase didn't perform a necessary function, and it probably impeded results. Timing of herbal teas and repeating teas meant for use on the first day of a phase also caused regression of gains. Chocolate use likely impeded results as well.
For mid-proliferative, there was a positive result from a tea of: 1 fennel seed, minimal spearmint, sunflower seed, flax seed, sesame seed and pumpkin seed. 1 fennel seed is enough for a progestogenic response.
[Image on right is of 2020 February 23.]
Menses: Feb 2020
For the first (and intentionally only) tea of menses (meant only for the near beginning), it had: 100mg hops, 50mg fenugreek, 20mg fennel, ≈20mg sunflower. This is similar to the herbal tea from anon03's journal, except spearmint was replaced by fennel, and certain herb amounts are lower. Fennel is a powerful herb, so its amounts should be lowered. Sunflower is low, because fennel is included. In the future, a few adjustments may be made. Then, she would take a break for all of menses, until proliferative starts: taking anything now, especially fennel or spearmint would interrupt (hip and breast) growth and normal menstruation. For those taking BCP, that would count as a (or part of a) first dose for menses. Fennel can likely be reduced even more, and hopefully, it can be eliminated from future use.
The combination of hops, fenugreek, fennel and sunflower didn't work. It caused minor acne, and minor breast shrinking. It needed spearmint, not fennel. Fennel should be removed from this dose.
2020 January: premenstrual
The image on the left is in the morning during premenstrual phase, before taking a herb dose of: 1,000mg fenugreek, 500mg clover, 500mg sunflower, 250mg spearmint, 250mg hops, 250mg fennel, and a pinch (50 to 100mg) of thistle. Bust measurement for morning was about 35". The image on the right is afterwards at night, with a bust measurement of about 35¼".
For the rest of premenstrual, and menses, the herb combinations will be based on this, taken once a day, with perhaps saw palmetto, wild yam or asparagus root added. The amount of fenugreek and other herbs was increased to provide a larger window of time to repeat the herb dose for the next day.
Secretory: 2019 December - 2020 January
For the first tea of secretory, she took 150mg each: mint, sunflower, asparagus, hops and thistle.
For the rest of secretory, she took variations of a daily tea of: 100mg each spearmint, clover, 200mg sunflower, and 500mg each hops and thistle. Diosgenin containing and similar herbs, such as fenugreek, aparagus and wild yam were intentionally left off.
There was mild breast wideness from this.
2019 highlights
Proliferative: 2019 December
Picture is of temporary breast swelling almost to 35½" during luteal from herb combination.
Tea consisted of of saw palmetto, spearmint, fennel and sunflower. The first dose of the phase also had asparagus or fenugreek. When ginseng was used, it didn't work as well as sunflower and spearmint. Next proliferative phase, spearmint and sunflower will be lower than saw palmetto and fennel.
Luteal: 2019 December
She tried combinations containing spearmint, shatavari, thistle and sunflower for luteal phase. Hops and or clover was used with this on some days.
There were still fluctuations in bresat size. These images are from December 4th. The picture on the left is in the morning, with a bust measurement of 35". The one on the right is from swelling later that night, after herb use: 35¾". Both measurements were 2½" on the under side. Hip size was 36¼" in the morning, and 36¾" by night.
2019 August 7
The result on the left is from herb use from the day before with wild yam. This picture was taken in the morning. Her breast size was also described as increased in width.
The result on the right is from herb use without wild yam, taken in the evening. [34¼" bustline measurement. Menses phase.]
Both of these herb combinations contain minimal amounts each of: fenugreek, sunflower, lavender, spearmint and fennel. These pictures are of 2019 August 7.
Herb use for rest of menstruation
She tried minimal amounts each of: fenugreek, sunflower, lavender, spearmint, fennel and wild yam. The picture on the left is after she took this tea.
The picture on the right is later, after taking another herbal tea.
She reported an inch of growth of her bustline. Her hip circumference also slightly increased. This was on 2019 August.
Herb use from 2nd day of menstruation
For , Anon05 tried 125mg each of: fenugreek, sunflower, lavender, spearmint, fennel and hops. There was no sensation or noticeable change after about 2 hours.
Later she tried about 50mg each of: fenugreek, sunflower, lavender, spearmint, fennel and thistles (Silybum).
Her breasts had minor swelling after an hour. Then, after a few hours, that swelling went away. They may have shrunk in width a little. Her breasts may have grown slightly in length.
Then she took minimal amounts of: fenugreek, sunflower, lavender, spearmint and fennel.
This picture is the next morning's, 2019 August 6, results from herb use the day before. Her breast size gained in width.
Menstruation started
For the first day of menses, she tried 25mg each of: spearmint, hops, fenugreek, sunflower and lavender.
Picture is from the same day, 2019 August 4, after results from this herb combination.
Day 2 of herb use
150mg sunflower, and 50mg each of fennel, hops, fenugreek and (pepper/spear)mint.
She described slight fullness on the sides of her breasts so far. Her temperature also lowered. She reported breast growth within 2 to 3 hours, after taking this tea.
Later in the evening, she took minimal and equal parts of: fennel, hops, fenugreek, sunflower, lavender and wild yam.
Growth in length. Picture is of results by the next day, 2019 August 4.
