Attempting to treat a bad case of hirsutism.
In this case, progesterone, birth controls pills and sterol treatments for cortisoids have contributed to excess female body hair and minor scalp hair loss. Progesterone pills and birth control pills were used in an attempt to treat minor androgenic symptoms. Then sterol treatments were used to treat metabolic symptoms, inadvertently compounding androgenic problems.
Progesterone and birth control pills have a reputation for correcting hormone imbalances. In situations where there is low estrogen production, this was not the case. Progestogens are the precursors to mineralocorticoids, glucocorticoids and androgens. Estrogens are formed from androgens. I suspect that the lack of estrogen production, allowed supplemented progesterone and herbs that stimulate prolactin production to contribute to androgen and mineralcortisoid congestion.
If only the body's production of estrogen could be stimulated.
Nutrition for Insulin Sensitivity and Excess Hormones
We'll look at improving insulin resistance and removing excess hormones with nutrition and diet.
Healthy and balanced fats have a reputation for being used to improve insulin sensitivity. Vitamins C, D and E also show improvements according to studies. In this case, healthy fats, vitamin C, and vitamin D, did not make the problem worse. They possibly helped the situation. Vitamin E supplementation wasn't taken yet.
Fiber is supposed to be able to carry away excessive hormones from the body. Not enough fiber was taken to determined whether its effects would be significant.
Sunflower seed, known for estrogenic properties, taken during menstruation did not make problems worse, and it possibly helped.
Primrose, Fennel and Lavender
Primrose, fennel and lavender were investigated for their efficacy in treating excessive androgens and its symptoms. When fennel and lavender were taken during menstruation, androgenic symptoms increased dramatically, and body temperature raised.
For separate or past herbal trials, a few days into proliferative phase, fennel and lavender together have shown minor breast growth. During secretory phase, fennel and lavender decreased body temperature, and slightly reduced androgenic symptoms.
Measuring body temperature is a way of trying to determine estrogenic balance of the body.
If used during the wrong time, Primrose alone raised body temperature, but it did not drastically increase androgenic symptoms. Fennel and lavender together caused breast shrinkage and a heavy increase in androgenic symptoms if used during the wrong phase. In the past, days into proliferative phase and during secretory phase, primrose, lavender and fennel together lowered body temperature and increased estrogenic responses. The idea was to use primrose to test whether fennel and lavender can be taken on a day without adverse effects. Fennel and lavender needed to be taken a few days into proliferative phase for its use to be successful. Lavender used by itself, did not work well for any phase.
Fennel, Lavender and Primrose During Menstruation and Early Proliferative Phase
Fennel taken by itself didn't cause noticeable signs during menstruation and early proliferative phase. When fennel was taken with a pinch of lavender, androgenic symptoms came about. There were breast pains or itching, but shrinking also came soon after.
When primrose was taken during menstruation and early proliferative phase, there was a raise in body temperature and breast shrinking. Primrose did not cause androgenic symptoms, however.
Lavender upregulates Estrogen Receptor Beta, and in the presence of heavy androgens, this is unsuitable. Primrose is estrogenic or nourishing, but in the presence of dominant androgens, it does not work for breast enhancement.
When there is acne, there is potential for breast growth. Acne often subsides, and itchy scalp often signifies upcoming excessive androgenic symptoms. Anonymous asks if most forms of androgens cause acne, and if dihydrotestosterone (DHT) causes hirsutism symptoms. It seems like it, but I am unsure of it has to do with a combination of other hormones. Hormones in the androgen class behave the same, except DHT is powerful, and cannot be converted into estrogens.
During menstruation and early proliferative phase, many herbs known for their estrogenic properties made hirsutism and other negative symptoms worse. Temperature went as high as 37°. Throughout the course of the day, body temperature dropped to 36.6°. Body temperature closer to 36° is associated with estrogen presence or hormonal balance outside of secretory phase.
Sunflower seeds did not seem to raise body temperature, and they possibly contributed to lowering body temperature.
Early Proliferative Phase
Using fennel/lavender and primrose too early set back the cycle during proliferative phase, and caused breast shrinking.
When there is lack of cervical mucus, fennel/lavender and primrose cause adverse symptoms. When cervical mucus secretion just starts and is thick, it is still too early to use primrose and fennel/lavender.
Growth did not happen on primrose or fennel/lavender soon for anon02 who did not have hirsutism when cervical mucus production started. She had breast pains and itchiness, but without breast swelling or growth soon after, it usually signifies there will be breast shrinking or hirutism symptoms by next morning.
Mint/lavander has worked in the past for menstruation and proliferative phase, so it will be trialed again, before someone with hirsutism tries it. Herb amounts lower than 100mg are suitable, and amounts up to 1,000mg have worked, but are not recommended. As noted in the past on an unrelated herb program, larger amounts of mint absolutely promote androgenic symptoms.
Mint and Lavender Trial for Premenstrual Phase
For someone else not mentioned above and who doesn't have hirsutism, 500mg each of mint and lavender caused breast growth during premenstrual phase. It also caused premenstrual symptoms: this is likely because of estrogen increase.
Body hair changes were not immediately determined. Sometimes they occur immediately, and sometimes those symptoms occur the next day.
The amount was supposed to be 50mg to 100mg each of mint and lavender. Mint and Lavender were used together in this instance for the random phase it fell on.
The day before, also during premenstrual phase, she used lavender only. Her breasts grew, and body hairs got lighter. This result was of course in the presence of dominant bodily progestogen or estrogen, not in the presence of heavy bodily androgens.
The next morning, anon02 had small amounts of swelling from fennel/lavender and primrose taken the day before. Usually results are more immediate. Because positive results were minor and occured by the next morning, it likely means there was barely enough of the right bodily hormones to cause breast swelling. In the case of hirsutism, this result is not expected.
- edit: anon02 is only mentioned here to show the efficacy and potential timing of these herbs during proliferative phase to cause estrogenic effects, she doesn't have hirsutism.
Androgenic and Hairloss Problems Still Unresolved.
Body temperature was lowering a week ago, July 27th, a day after taking primrose. Primrose has normally raised temperature, then lowered it during menstruation and early proliferative phase. Balanced fats, vitamin C and fiber were working to lower temperature to 36.4°C over the course of a day, last month.
This cycle, fennel and lavender were taken prematurely, then temperature raised, and the problem stopped getting better. Today, cervical mucus occured which is a sign of estrogen production, but temperature remains high. Taking a break, waiting for estrogen to increase on its own.
This morning, she had hot-flashes and high temperature (including fever). Her arm temperature was 37.3°C. I was hesitant to suggest use of estrogen cream, knowing about how hormones can downregulate, or potentially make problems worse.
When she mentioned she had acne, I suggested for her to apply topical estrogen cream where she had acne. I didn't expect estrogen cream to have a positive effect without the presence of acne. Soon after she used it, her arm temperature was 36.3°C, and for reference her oral temperature was 36.5°C. Her fever went down.
Her arm and oral temperature both varied by an increase of .1°C later. Afterwards, she had itching in her hips and minor breast pains. Hopefully, by tomorrow, this is a good sign. Itching or minor pains in the breast usually mean shrinking or growth by the next day.
The Next Day of Using Estrogen Cream
Today, her oral temperature was 36.6°C, and her under arm temperature was 36.4°C. There was no apparent increase in androgenic symptoms. Her face was puffy today. Perhaps the puffiness is from the conflict of estrogen and androgens. Lavender will not be used, because its use is risky, when there is still an abundance in androgenic symptoms.