Botanical Breast Enhancement: Guide

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Hormone composition

Hormone predisposition mostly has to do with body fat composition. Bodies with low body fat don't regulate hormones as well. The amount of estrogenic body tissue such as hip size also converts metabolite androgens into estrogens.

Related is hormone signs on the body. A body that has androgenic signs also often has more difficulty in converting excessive androgens into estrogens. Insulin resistance is also related to body fat, where both very high and low body fats are often associated with this. Androgenic symptoms and corticosteroid problems often accompany insulin resistance.

Fewer herb combinations work for those with hormone imbalances. Journals 1 and 2about hirsutism tell a lot about what works more consistently.

Herbal schedule

The herbal schedule in the pdf hasn't worked for me. Should I continue?

If a herb combination doesn't work once, then don't continue it. There are mixed results, as it or slight variations have worked for some. See the recent programs, where updates are regular, as that ebook section stopped being updated for now.

It's better to take a break, as a more consistent herb schedule is being developed. Lower doses to the absolute minimum, down to 30mg and/or a sip at a time, then wait. Then, when something works, skip taking herbs for the rest of the cycle, and only take it next time once during that phase.

Don't over do evening primrose, (limit it to only once per proliferative or secretory) and be aware that it requires other herbs.

I see common practice is to take herbs more than once per day, but this isn't specified in the ebook. What do you recommend: once a day (or less, I saw in the book) or more than once a day?

Taking herbs once a phase will give a lot of breast growth. Often, a herb combination would only work once, then it would stop working the next day. Sometimes, when herbs are repeated twice a day, there is often temporary breast growth, but growth from the first dose is lost.

During menses, a herb dose should be taken only once at the very beginning. I had this correct early on, and this question is a source of frustration: as I should stick to what works, instead of undoing progress by entertaining this.

For the rest of the herb schedule, some herb combinations take until the next day for an effect. You would have to see the effects in an attempt to avoid hormone receptor burn out and to avoid a hormone imbalance. For most parts of the herb schedule, no more than once a day is recommended.

How is the herbal schedule in the ebook determined?

The herbal schedule is based off of typical hormone values during the menstrual cycle. The menstrual cycle often matches with Moon phases. Herbs are categorized according to their effects on receptors in the breast and reproductive tract: ERα, ERβ, PRB and PrlR. Herbal properties are suggested to enhance the body's typical hormone levels for a potential response for breast enhancement.

For instance, using an abundance of a prolactin herb during ovulation: may cause breast shrinkage, will offset normal menstrual cycles, and an excessive amount of it may be a health risk by interfering with or preventing ovulation when it needs to occur. There is also the case of desensitizing hormone receptors (and bodily responses in general) by creating an excessive or prolonged hormone imbalance, thus increasing the potential for health issues. Read the first three chapters to understand how creating an excessive imbalance at the wrong time, may have effects other than is intended for that part of the menstrual cycle.

Is the herbal schedule for everyone?

Basic herbs listed, during each time of the menstrual cycle, are generally for everyone. The proportions in the herbal schedule are a starting point to tweak your proportions. Strengths of herbs are different, and I based this program with an idea of safety first over efficacy.

Also, everyone is different: some breast responses have plateaued, and some vary in their menstrual cycle by a few days. The correct proportion of herbs during menstruation is one that allows normal menstruation, and breast enhancement.

In many cases, these herbal suggestions cause more breast swelling than normal. This is an indication that the herbs had an effect, but in order for this temporary gain to be sustained, there must be a small amount of receptor antagonism (in other words, a tiny combination of opposing herbs), which is listed for most parts of the schedule. The best way is for the most minimal amounts in proportion to be used. When that balance of proportions is found, increase the amount to a reasonable level. Also, take a break whenever breast enhancement responses stop, or whenever you feel uncomfortable.

Schedule confusing, more details??

The herb schedule has been greatly simplified and improved. If your menstrual cycle becomes irregular, or there are concerns, take a break, until the next cycle.

Herb substitutions

Is there a herb substitution for hops?

There isn't a known full substitute for hops. Milkthistle (Silybum) can be taken with hops, so less hops can be taken. Clover raises prolactin like Silybum and hops, but it interacts with different estrogen receptors. Clover, hops and milkthistle raise prolactin. Clover has an estrogenic effect on ERβ, so its use must be limited, perferably to mid secretory phase. Milkthistle has more effects on the breasts, like hops. Milkthistle acts on both ERα and ERβ, but its specific effects on them is uncertain. It is also uncertain if milkthistle upregulates progesterone receptors (PR) as hops does. There are other thistles that have the same folklore reputation as Silybum, but their exact constituents and properties are uncertain.

Is there a herb substitution for fenugreek?

There isn't a surely known single herb replacement for fenugreek. Asparagus and suma have similar properties. Asparagus doesn't seem to have the progesterone property that fenugreek has. Not enough is known about suma. Suma and asparagus can be used with fenugreek, perhaps to increase its effect, so less fenugreek can be used.

Clover, fennel, spearmint and sunflower seed together could possibly replace fenugreek during secretory phase. Fenugreek with sunflower is a more reliable herb.

I wanted to avoid hops and fenugreek because of their potential effects on blood sugar.

As little as 20mg of herb is effective. With certain similar herbs, less of hops and fenugreek can be tried for effectiveness. Substitute herbs are also likely have similar effects on blood sugar. Trying this will require caution. With these herbs, unrefined sugar and water can be taken with them. Refined sugar is not recommended, because its nutrients are stripped, and because it has traces of chemicals used for extraction that can gradually build up in the body.

Herb safety

Is it safe to use herbs?

There are risks for herb use for everyone, particularly effects from hormone imbalances.

Everyone has to monitor for negative signs such as hot-flashes, abnormal temperature, hirsutism and menstrual irregularities. Herb and other concentrate extracts are risky, so if used, limit extracts to no more than 1 drop per day. Also, it is dangerous to use extracts in an attempt to overcome plateaus. A plateau means the body has reached an equilibrium, which lessens the potential for hormones to have consequences on the body. Taking extracts then will promote a hormone imbalance that can desensitize receptors and result in lowered fertility or infertility.

Hormones and effects on receptor subtypes must be balanced. Concentrates and excessive doses are not the way to overcome plateaus. A negative effect on estrogen receptor alpha (ERα) can, for instance, atrophy the fallopian tubes. Too much effect of progesterone can reduce ovarian size and reduce the body's estrogen levels.

Mints, fennel and dill contain stilbenes (estragole and anthole) that are questionable on their effects on cancer. These are commonly used spices and herbs in foods which typically hasn't been a major concern. Use of these herbs will (from now on) be limited to small amounts (under 65mg per use or under 250mg per day), and they are suggested with herbs that have anti-tumor or anti-cancer properties.

Pueraria's effects on cancer are circumstanial. It appears to innoculate against cancers, but when cancer is present it has a reputation of making the condition worse. A few substances like Zen behave this way too.

Is it safe to use herbs for someone who is 18 years old?

More care has to be taken for those who are young adults, because herbs can interfere with normal development.

Is this breast growth schedule safe to use if you have a possible hormonal imbalance?

Will it help with this? I know herbs can regulate your schedule, but can this help?

The safest herb dose to use is in the latest example in anon03 dated June 21st. All of the mentioned herbs in that combination have to be present for the expectation of the noted result. The herb dose in the ebook is very similar. They have provided signs of a balanced hormone response.

For most cases of low estrogen, which hirsutism is one symptom, it should improve a balanced hormone response, including that of estrogen. In extreme cases of hirsutism, it has a better chance of working than anything else, but there is slight probability it may not work. The herb combination without sunflower has worked for someone with hirsutism, and the one with sunflower seed should work more consistently, based on that combinations with sunflower have worked better. This herb formula should work for those with balanced hormones too. Its use is uncertain for those with high estrogen.

Nutrition has to be considered. After a few successes, it is suggested to take herb combinations with dietary fiber. Taking herb combinations in the presence of caffeine can potentially cause the opposite intended effect and make hormone imbalances worse. There has been evidence of this.

Receptor interactions

What about androgen blockers?

According to my research, androgen blockers is an inaccurate description. Hormones, including phytohormones, have agonist or antagonist properties on receptors. The effect of a (phyto-)hormone varies depending on other hormones in its presence, and body composition has an influence on this.

A hormone antagonist appears to have circumstantial effects depending on other hormones or phytohormones in its presence. For instance, sunflower seed can multiply the effects of androgen, estrogen or both on either receptor. Caffeine can also cause the opposite effect of the potential of a herb combination. A hormone agonist positively stimulates a receptor, but it also desensitizes it, and from this it has the potential to cause the opposite intended effect. Timing and hormone balance is intended to maintain or improve receptor sensitivity.

Phytohormones are weak or partial similes of bodily hormones, and they can influence the body's hormone levels.

Herb forms

[Herb] measurements: Hi there, Sorry as i think that the question has been asked before, but I couldn't find a clear answer. Is it possible to give a general measurement of the herbs used? for example, 50 mg of fenugreek, 50 mg of fennel, 50 mg of spearmint, etc , is it close to half a teaspoon from each herb? or is it more or less than that? for example, i use about half a teaspoon of hops, but it becomes so bitter so maybe i'm using a lot.i searched the internet trying to find an estimate but couldn't. thank you in advance.

The amounts are described in the 3rd chapter, in the section "Herb doses" that is before "Herb schedule" in super-bazongas.pdf. A minimal amount can be 50mg of each to try a herb combination, and up to 125mg of each herb. 1 part each of an herb is 250mg. The herb program blogs are also often described amounts in miligrams. If the herb is too bitter, you can add a teaspoon raw sugar to the drink.

Tea: What is the quantity of herbs needed for a tea?

A minimal amount of each herb in solid form is from 25mg to 125mg. Use the lowest amounts in cases of hormone imbalances or low body weight. 1 part of each herb in solid form is 250mg. The higher an amount for each herb is, the more chances a herb combination won't work. 1,000mg of each herb has worked for some, but not for others. Way larger amounts do not consistently work for most. Amounts of 250mg and lower for others in the right combinations more regularly offer reasonable and consistent gains.

There are examples of herb proportions in program blogs, and guidelines for herb amounts in the Botanical chapter of the ebook.

What about comparing amounts of ground and loose forms of herbs?

Herbs in ground form weigh more than herbs in unground form per the same amount of volume. Solid herb form will refer to ground herbs, loose (unground) herbs, and capsule herbs. The way to compare herbs in solid form is to measure weight.

If a herb is taken as tea, put into the tea that amount of herb in solid form. The left over herb can also be taken. As a note, it is easy to mis-estimate the amount of herb in an herbal tea bag, so this is why measuring weight is often necessary.

I assume if I grind up the seed its effects should work the same?

Ground up herb will be more potent, but its shelf-life becomes lessened. Unground herb will work too. Balance of herb properties is prefered over potency. Higher herb strength can result in lowered efficacy. Use either ground or unground forms of herb.

Do i drink the tea with the herbs or do i just drink the water from the tea?

The tea without the left over solid herb will do. Every once in a while, it's good to take the left over solid herb for fiber.

Has anyone used supplements (capsules) vs whole herb?

Some have used capsules. They are fine, except when they are substituted with fillers, or contain traces of unlisted supplements. When the supplement product is genuine, simply whole herb provides better value. Whole herb is usually easier to identify, but with either, you still have to be certain that you are getting the product as labeled. There was a case last week where a brick-and-mortar store sold a toxic herb, and it sent someone to the hospital. Here is a video about herbal supplements, PBS NewsHour: Store-bought herbal supplements may not be what they seem, and there is more information to find online.


What about spironolactone?

Spironolactone is an antagonist on mineralocorticoid receptors. It is probably an antagonist on estrogen and estrogen receptors. It multiplies estrogenic or androgenic effects. At this time, it's not recommended to take spironolactone with the herb schedule.


Is massaging your breasts effective for growth?

It can be, because breast massage influences the release of prolactin from the pituitary gland. Menstruation and secretory phase would be good times to try massage. During proliferative phase, massage is less likely to work. With massage, be gentle, and don't do anything rough that can harm tissue.


By taking soy or flax seed to act as an estrogen can this cause estrogen deficiency?

Soy and flaxseed can contribute to estrogen deficiency or it can increase estrogen response depending on when they are used, and with what combination.

Flaxseed has the same constituent as sunflower seed, which is converted into the cortisoid enterolactone by the body. Enterolactone upregulates estrogen receptors. Flaxseed likely behaves like sunflower seed, but it can potentially have differences. When sunflower seed was used when there was estrogen deficiency, and without an estrogenic herb, it caused an androgenic response. Used with a herb that is only estrogenic to one receptor, sunflower seed can potentially cause a partially estrogenic and partially androgenic response.

Soy, like other plants in the legume family, has estrogen similes. Using it when estrogen alone is high can contribute to estrogen deficiency. It can also contribute to estrogen deficiency when used by itself, because it causes desensitization.

Herbs that increase estrogen also require a herb that increases androgens for consistency and to prevent shrinking of the ovaries or breasts. Herbs with progestogenic properties increase the need for androgen raising herbs.

Menstrual cycle

Please see your doctor or medical professional for checkups, or if you're worried about underlying conditions related to your cycle.

Cycle length

What causes a longer cycle? My period cycle is 36 days is there anything i can do about this

If period intensity is moderate or light, and ovulation is occuring normally, having a longer cycle is likely healthy. Menstrual cycles often range ±7 days from 28 days and that's normal. Towards late reproductive years, cycle length typically shortens. Heavy and a long duration of menstruation can also acccount for a long overall menstrual cycle length.

The full herb schedule (as of July 2019) taken once for menstruation should lower or balance menstruation intensity and duration, and improve the chances for ovulation.

[Menses] cramps

I've had bad period cramps for awhile. What should i do to fix this, i know this is a sign of hormonal imbalance. I hear raspberry leaf and goats rue can help? What are the properties of these herbs?

Menstrual cramps could be from too much estrogen that causes endometriosis, or from low estrogen conversion, which leaves an excess of perhaps mineralocorticoids. Mineralocorticosteroids can cause bloating which can be a cause of cramps.

Goats rue is a galactogogue, so it is likely to have an effect on a combination of prolactin receptor (PrlR), and estrogen receptor alpha (ERα) or progesterone receptor B (PRB). Goats rue likely also has an effect on other estrogen and progesterone receptors. Some species in the genus of goats rue are toxic in high amounts.

The nutrition in raspberry leaf likely helps. Raspberry leaf is hormonal, while I'm unsure of its exact effects. There is not concensus on whether raspberry leaf should be used or avoided during early pregnancy.

Hormonal herbs have similes of steroid hormones. Androgen, cholesterol (betasitosterol), glucocorticoid or mineralocorticoid similes in herbs could sensitize progesterone or estrogen receptor types.

It would be difficult to know how the combination of raspberry leaf and goats rue together would act, and it could react differently with different hormonal balances. If you have high estrogen, it wouldn't be beneficial to raise estrogen more. If estrogen is low, herb combinations that would raise estrogen levels for some, could lower estrogen levels more. Keep in mind, herbs react differently in low doses, and in different combinations. It's better to use the lowest dose possible, if anything is going to help. Fewer herb combinations can be effective for those with less body fat.

First you would have to know if its from too much estrogen, or from high levels of mineralocorticoids. High levels of mineralocorticoids could be consistent with high androgens, high progestogens, high glucocorticoids or low estrogens.

The /program blogs of anon03, anon04 and hirsutism show herb combinations that have lowered menstruation intensity, if it is the case of heavy menstruation.

Chuchuhuasi is known for lowering cramping symptoms because of its anti-inflamatory and pain relieving properties. Cramp bark and Black Haw from the genus of Viburnum are also known for lowering symptoms of cramping.

Is fenugreek seed the same as fenugreek leaf?

Feungreek seed is the one used and is often used for breast health. I'm uncertain of the efficacy of fenugreek leaf. Some combinations require fenugreek seed, and if the leaf doesn't substitute it, that combination might not work. If you have fenugreek leaf, use a herb combination that also works without fenugreek. For instance, don't use clover with fenugreek leaf, until more becomes known.

What about DHT lowering herbs?

Saw palmetto, pygeum, nettle, oats and winter squash (pumpkin) seed have a reputation for lowering DHT.

These herbs in small amounts keep estrogen conversion sensitive. Nettle (Urtica) and pygeum (Prunus) have metabolism or diuretic properties, so these two herbs can slow down growth, and can be used for increasing perkiness, instead.

In large amounts, most DHT reducing herbs desensitize aromatase (androgen to estrogen conversion) enzymes. Also, it's likely that many of these herbs can be androgenic depending on when they are taken.

Herb sourcing

Those who used the herbs mentioned can you tell me where you purchased the whole herb (hard to find where I live!)

Some solid herbs can be found in spice stores, farmers markets, health food stores and grocery stores. These stores can be found through or its equivalent.

Fenugreek can often be found in these stores. Spearmint is easy to find as made for tea, but the serving amount has to be reduced from the amount that is too much. Sunflower seed is also easy to find.

4 ounces of a solid herb will last a while.

Herbs can be identified in nature, but for some herbs it is not recommended. Mint, chasteberry, asparagus, hops and kudzu in whole or fresh form can be easily identified. Herbs related to the celery family such as dill, fennel or liquorice can be easily mistaken for deadly plants. Mushrooms are not suggested, because seemingly identical but completely different species can not be identified by visual cues alone.

Serious misidentifcations of solid herbs by brick and mortar stores have happened before, but have been rare. Check the reputational history of the store and its reviews.

Supplements: capsules, gelcaps

Herbs in capsule form often worked. Evening primrose is commonly available in gel cap form, and suggestions are to dilute a single capsule in unrefined olive oil for extended use.

There were common cases in the past, where many brands including store brands used fillers and impurities in thier herb supplements. This was often not dangerous, but it was a nuisance. PBS NewsHour has a video clip dated from 2015 with some information about this, Store-bought herbal supplements may not be what they seem. This may have possibly changed a lot since that was reported.

USP is one standardization label for herb supplements. This label obviously doesn't apply to spices and bulk herbs.

iHerb is used for some, as an International herb supplement supplier.

What bulk herb suppliers are there?

I wanted to avoid advertising for anyone. Companies that use or have used sustainable practices, or other good practices will be prefered for mentioned.

For herb suppliers in the United States of America, Mother Earth Living lists: Frontier Co-op (Iowa), Oregon's Wild Harvest (Oregon), Pacific Botanicals (Oregon) and Mountain Rose Herbs (Oregon). Rainforest Nutrition (Nevada) was a company that once sold plenty of herbs: most were not common herbs. Starwest Botanicals and Banyan Botanicals are two other bulk herb suppliers. Many of these brands, I had recently learned about and haven't had a chance to use them before.

For herb suppliers in Canada, Reddit thread about Canadian based herb shippers listed: Botanic Planet (Ontario), Sapphire Blue (Ontario) and Penny Lane (Ontario). There is a supplier named there, but they didn't have many solid herb products, and there was an extra charge if minimum order was under $100. I am unfamiliar with these Canadian based brands.

Austral Herbs is one bulk herb supplier for Australia. There may be others.

You can look for a reputable supplier online that is based in the E.U., Australia, Canada, the U.K., the U.S. or the country of origin of the herb. Suggestions for bulk herb shipping companies that use sustainable or other good practices will be considered for posting, especially for different geographical regions.

What about Pueraria for breast enhancement?

Pueraria (kudzu) naturally has a reputation to provide limited breast enhancement. As a single herb, Pueraria has a wide range of phytochemicals whose varying properties work together for bust enhancement. For instance, Pueraria has limited and conflicting properties of androgenic, progestogenic, prolactin raising and estrogenic.

Kudzu can cause breast enhancement during menstruation, which is often temporary. On its own, kudzu also has potential to increase body hair and hot-flashes.

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Hip & butt enhancement

I'm curious about Bubblemelon's (Rocketmelon's) breast enhancement journey.

Breast growth expectations

  • How much growth can I expect from the recommendation/procedure for the menstral cycle listed in the super bazongas pdf?
  • I know everyone is different, but over the course of 3 months how much growth can be expected for an average woman without major imbalances?
  • I'm in my 40's, can breast enlargement work for me?
  • Do breast sensations mean there will be growth?
  • Theoretically, could you self induce macromastia/gigantomastia?
  • Looking at rapid breast growth from macromastia/gigantomastia its often from an imbalance of one hormone?
  • Is it still possible to replicate this effect from the balancing of hormones/ procedure shown in the ebook?
  • Refutations or doubts about breast enhancement theory
  • See /appendix/breast-growth-expectations


  • What are some of the most nutritious foods?
  • How can they assist natural breast enlargement?
  • Is coffee bad for NBE?
  • See /appendix/nutrition

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Blog updates: breast topics and health related content.

Hirsutism02 - February 03, 2020
In the first two weeks, her hair conditions improved noticeably: body hair lowered, and scalp hair improved. There were also minor gains in breast size.

Jellie - January 13, 2020
The evening before, she took a tea of 3,000mg fennel, 1,500mg sunflower, and about 50mg each of spearmint and fenugreek. Measurements for bust and hips are both 37¼". Underbust to nipple is about 3¾" Ovulation is perhaps about to occur. Phytohormone break down likely influenced ovulation.

Hops - February 09, 2020
Investigating replacements for hops Looking into valerian and passionfruit as partial replacements for hops. They have similar properties based on mood. It is underinvestigated if their effects on GABA and mood has to do with an influence on prolactin. There is not enough information on the prenylflavonoid content on passionfruit, and the flavonoid content in valerian. There is a similarity in valerian that it can cause skin sensitivity, like hops. Valerian and passionfruit should likely be avoided during proliferative phase, like hops. Beets and figs are other plants to investigate. There isn't enough information available on the phytohormone content of beets. Certain figs have hormonal properties for being used for galactagogues and preventing miscarriages. There are also anti-inflamatory properties of figs. Figs contain lignans, and flavonoids which need to be further investigated. The type of prenylflavonoid matters, in what the receptors it will target and the effect. Milkthistle is a partial substitute for hops, but it's effects are mainly on ERβ. Sunflower seed and wheat bread seemed to cause a minor improvement from allergic-like symptoms. Sunflower did improve hormone balance slightly.

Anethole & estragole - June 25, 2019
Many known stilbenes are estrogen receptor antagonists. Stilbenes and their polymers include: anethole, dianethole, estragole, tamoxifen, stilbene and stilbestrol. Spearmint and fennel contain stilbenes as active hormonal constituents. Based on anecdotal information from spearmint's and fennel's actions, anethole, dianethole and estragole are likely ERα selective. Anethole is another name for transanethole, and Stilbene is another term for transtilbene. Estragole and anethole are isomers. Dianethole and photoanethole are polymers of anethole.

Breast Development and Endocrinology, 3rd Ed - May 22, 2019
Expanded and clarified details for Breast Development and Endocrinology 3rd edition. From now on, this will be volume 1. These edits will reflect in Super Bazongas. Herb schedule will be edited, but same herb combinations will be used as basis. Future releases of Super Bazongas will be volume 2.

Super Bazongas: Note - October 05, 2019
Super Bazongas, Vol 2, is not up to date, and is currently available for archive purposes. It will be updated at a later time. See program blogs for more recent information.

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