Botanical Breast Enhancement: Guide

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Can I use pills instead of tea?

It depends on what the pill is of. Proportions and timing also matter.

Herb capsules are a different than pills. For most herbs, teas work better and more consistently. Herb tablets are likely to have many of the same properties of solid herb, but there's a possibility phytohormones can be left off. Herb tablets are often standardized to limited and specific phytochemicals.

Sunflower is one herb that doesn't have to be as tea. Fennel and spearmint work better as teas, and are to be used in very minimal amounts. Fenugreek works better as tea, but there's evidence it is also effective in solid form.

Body composition

Hormone predisposition mostly has to do with body fat composition. Bodies with low body fat don't regulate hormones as well. The amount of estrogenic body tissue such as hip size also converts metabolite androgens into estrogens.

Related is hormone signs on the body. A body that has androgenic signs also often has more difficulty in converting excessive androgens into estrogens. Insulin resistance is also related to body fat, where both very high and low body fats are often associated with this. Androgenic symptoms and corticosteroid problems often accompany insulin resistance.

Fewer herb combinations work for those with hormone imbalances. Hirsutism journals 1 and 2 tell a lot about what works more consistently.

Herbal schedule

The herbal schedule in the pdf hasn't worked for me. Should I continue?

If a herb combination doesn't work once, then don't continue it. There are mixed results, as it or slight variations have worked for some. See the recent programs, where updates are regular, as that ebook section stopped being updated for now.

It's better to take a break, as a more consistent herb schedule is being developed. Lower doses to the absolute minimum, down to 30mg and/or a sip at a time, then wait. Then, when something works, skip taking herbs for the rest of the cycle, and only take it next time once during that phase.

Don't over do evening primrose, (limit it to only once per proliferative or secretory) and be aware that it requires other herbs.

I see common practice is to take herbs more than once per day, but this isn't specified in the ebook. What do you recommend: once a day (or less, I saw in the book) or more than once a day?

Taking herbs once a phase will give a lot of breast growth. Often, a herb combination would only work once, then it would stop working the next day. Sometimes, when herbs are repeated twice a day, there is often temporary breast growth, but growth from the first dose is lost.

During menses, a herb dose should be taken only once at the very beginning. I had this correct early on, as I should stick to what works, instead of undoing progress.

For the rest of the herb schedule, some herb combinations take until the next day for an effect. You would have to see the effects in an attempt to avoid hormone receptor burn out and to avoid a hormone imbalance. For most parts of the herb schedule, no more than once a day is recommended.

How is the herbal schedule in the ebook determined?

The herbal schedule is based off of typical hormone values during the menstrual cycle. The menstrual cycle often matches with Moon phases. Herbs are categorized according to their effects on receptors in the breast and reproductive tract: ERα, ERβ, PRB and PrlR. Herbal properties are suggested to enhance the body's typical hormone levels for a potential response for breast enhancement.

For instance, using an abundance of a prolactin herb during ovulation: may cause breast shrinkage, will offset normal menstrual cycles, and an excessive amount of it may be a health risk by interfering with or preventing ovulation when it needs to occur. There is also the case of desensitizing hormone receptors (and bodily responses in general) by creating an excessive or prolonged hormone imbalance, thus increasing the potential for health issues. Read the first three chapters to understand how creating an excessive imbalance at the wrong time, may have effects other than is intended for that part of the menstrual cycle.

Is the herbal schedule for everyone?

Basic herbs listed, during each time of the menstrual cycle, are generally for everyone. The proportions in the herbal schedule are a starting point to tweak your proportions. Strengths of herbs are different, and I based this program with an idea of safety first over efficacy.

Also, everyone is different: some breast responses have plateaued, and some vary in their menstrual cycle by a few days. The correct proportion of herbs during menstruation is one that allows normal menstruation, and breast enhancement.

In many cases, these herbal suggestions cause more breast swelling than normal. This is an indication that the herbs had an effect, but in order for this temporary gain to be sustained, there must be a small amount of receptor antagonism (in other words, a tiny combination of opposing herbs), which is listed for most parts of the schedule. The best way is for the most minimal amounts in proportion to be used. When that balance of proportions is found, increase the amount to a reasonable level. Also, take a break whenever breast enhancement responses stop, or whenever you feel uncomfortable.

Schedule confusing, more details??

The herb schedule has been greatly simplified and improved. If your menstrual cycle becomes irregular, or there are concerns, take a break, until the next cycle.

Receptor interactions

What about androgen blockers?

According to my research, androgen blockers is an inaccurate description. Hormones, including phytohormones, have agonist or antagonist properties on receptors. The effect of a (phyto-)hormone varies depending on other hormones in its presence, and body composition has an influence on this.

A hormone antagonist appears to have circumstantial effects depending on other hormones or phytohormones in its presence. For instance, sunflower seed can multiply the effects of androgen, estrogen or both on either receptor. Caffeine can also cause the opposite effect of the potential of a herb combination. A hormone agonist positively stimulates a receptor, but it also desensitizes it, and from this it has the potential to cause the opposite intended effect. Timing and hormone balance is intended to maintain or improve receptor sensitivity.

Phytohormones are weak or partial similes of bodily hormones, and they can influence the body's hormone levels.

Spironolactone

What about spironolactone?

Spironolactone is an antagonist on mineralocorticoid receptors. It is probably an antagonist on estrogen and estrogen receptors. It multiplies estrogenic or androgenic effects. At this time, it's not recommended to take spironolactone with the herb schedule.

Massage

Is massaging your breasts effective for growth?

It can be, because breast massage influences the release of prolactin from the pituitary gland. Menstruation and secretory phase would be good times to try massage. During proliferative phase, massage should be used to lower arousal. With massage, be gentle, and don't do anything rough that can harm tissue.

Flax/phytoestrogens

By taking soy or flax seed to act as an estrogen can this cause estrogen deficiency?

Soy and flaxseed can contribute to estrogen deficiency or it can increase estrogen response depending on when they are used, and with what combination.

Flaxseed has the same constituent as sunflower seed, which is converted into the cortisoid enterolactone by the body. Enterolactone upregulates estrogen receptors. Flaxseed likely behaves like sunflower seed, but it can potentially have differences. When sunflower seed was used when there was estrogen deficiency, and without an estrogenic herb, it caused an androgenic response. Used with a herb that is only estrogenic to one receptor, sunflower seed can potentially cause a partially estrogenic and partially androgenic response.

Soy, like other plants in the legume family, has estrogen similes. Using it when estrogen alone is high can contribute to estrogen deficiency. It can also contribute to estrogen deficiency when used by itself, because it causes desensitization.

Herbs that increase estrogen also require a herb that increases androgens for consistency and to prevent shrinking of the ovaries or breasts. Herbs with progestogenic properties increase the need for androgen raising herbs.

Menstrual cycle

Please see your doctor or medical professional for checkups, or if you're worried about underlying conditions related to your cycle.

Cycle length

What causes a longer cycle? My period cycle is 36 days is there anything i can do about this

If period intensity is moderate or light, and ovulation is occuring normally, having a longer cycle is likely healthy. Menstrual cycles often range ±7 days from 28 days and that's normal. Towards late reproductive years, cycle length typically shortens. Heavy and a long duration of menstruation can also acccount for a long overall menstrual cycle length.

The full herb schedule (as of July 2019) taken once for menstruation should lower or balance menstruation intensity and duration, and improve the chances for ovulation.

Cramps

I've had bad period cramps for awhile. What should i do to fix this, i know this is a sign of hormonal imbalance. I hear raspberry leaf and goats rue can help? What are the properties of these herbs?

Cramps could be from too much estrogen that causes endometriosis, or from low estrogen conversion, which leaves an excess of perhaps mineralocorticoids. Mineralocorticosteroids can cause bloating which can be a cause of cramps.

Goats rue is a galactogogue, so it is likely to have an effect on a combination of prolactin receptor (PrlR), and estrogen receptor alpha (ERα) or progesterone receptor B (PRB). Goats rue likely also has an effect on other estrogen and progesterone receptors. Some species in the genus of goats rue are toxic in high amounts.

The nutrition in raspberry leaf would likely help. Raspberry leaf is hormonal, while I'm unsure of its exact effects. There is not concensus on whether raspberry leaf should be used or avoided during early pregnancy.

Hormonal herbs have similes of steroid hormones. Androgen, cholesterol (betasitosterol), glucocorticoid or mineralocorticoid similes in herbs could sensitize progesterone or estrogen receptor types.

It would be difficult to know how the combination of raspberry leaf and goats rue together would act, and it could react differently with different hormonal balances. If you have high estrogen, it wouldn't be beneficial to raise estrogen more. If estrogen is low, herb combinations that would raise estrogen levels for some, could lower estrogen levels more. Keep in mind, herbs react differently in low doses, and in different combinations. It's better to use the lowest dose possible, if anything is going to help. Fewer herb combinations can be effective for those with less body fat.

First you would have to know if its from too much estrogen, or from high levels of mineralocorticoids. High levels of mineralocorticoids could be consistent with high androgens, high progestogens, high glucocorticoids or low estrogens.

The /program blogs of anon03, anon05, hirsutism01 and hirsutism02 show herb combinations that have lowered menstruation intensity, if it is the case of heavy menstruation.

Chuchuhuasi is known for lowering cramping symptoms because of its anti-inflamatory and pain relieving properties. Cramp bark and Black Haw from the genus of Viburnum are also known for lowering symptoms of cramping.

What about DHT lowering herbs?

Saw palmetto, pygeum, nettle, oats and winter squash (pumpkin) seed have a reputation for lowering DHT.

These herbs in small amounts keep estrogen conversion sensitive. Nettle (Urtica) and pygeum (Prunus) have metabolism or diuretic properties, so these two herbs can slow down growth, and can be used for increasing perkiness, instead.

In large amounts, most DHT reducing herbs desensitize aromatase (androgen to estrogen conversion) enzymes. Also, it's likely that many of these herbs can be androgenic depending on when they are taken.

What about Pueraria for breast enhancement?

Pueraria (kudzu) naturally has a reputation to provide limited breast enhancement. As a single herb, Pueraria has a wide range of phytochemicals whose varying properties work together for bust enhancement. For instance, Pueraria has limited and conflicting properties of androgenic, progestogenic, prolactin raising and estrogenic.

Kudzu can cause breast enhancement during menstruation, which is often temporary. On its own, kudzu also has potential to increase body hair and hot-flashes.

More answers and responses

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Herbs

  • Questions that had to do with herbs, including sourcing, safety and amounts, that weren't directly related to a herb or program schedule were moved to herbs.

Hip & butt enhancement

I'm curious about Bubblemelon's (Rocketmelon's) breast enhancement journey.

Breast growth expectations

  • How much growth can I expect from the recommendation/procedure for the menstral cycle listed in the super bazongas pdf?
  • I know everyone is different, but over the course of 3 months how much growth can be expected for an average woman without major imbalances?
  • I'm in my 40's, can breast enlargement work for me?
  • Do breast sensations mean there will be growth?
  • Theoretically, could you self induce macromastia/gigantomastia?
  • Looking at rapid breast growth from macromastia/gigantomastia its often from an imbalance of one hormone?
  • Is it still possible to replicate this effect from the balancing of hormones/ procedure shown in the ebook?
  • Refutations or doubts about breast enhancement theory
  • See /appendix/breast-growth-expectations

Nutrition

  • What are some of the most nutritious foods?
  • How can they assist natural breast enlargement?
  • Is coffee bad for NBE?
  • See /appendix/nutrition

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3 months of herbal breast enhancement
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Blog updates: breast topics and health related content.

Anon07 - May 17, 2020
There are results of breast enlargement in the program of anon07.

Effective herb programs - May 04, 2020
The herb programs Hops01 and proliferative01 cause breast and hip growth. These programs also reduce body hair and improve scalp hair. These versions of the herb program were suggested from early this year, in the journal programs of and hirsutism02. The herb program anon03 also had parts of these herb schedules from last year. The basic outline of this herb program was around much sooner. Basic programs Jellie and anon02 have recent evidence of efficacy of natural breast enlargement. Anon02's program is no longer recommended, and is replaced with better herb programs. anon05's program has images of growth early on in the program which plateaued, and she has expressed interest in trying a program at a later time. Anon05 actually made breast enlargement gains before the first picture from information on this website.

Hirsutism02 - March 29, 2020
Her hair conditions improved: body hair lowered, and scalp hair has grown back. There were noticeable but minor gains in breast and hip size.

Jellie - April 05, 2020
Before and after of Jellie's breast growth, from about 1 month on a herb program. Latest picture is of February 10, 2020. She also had described hip growth, that is not shown in pictures. [Results are from a C cup to an E cup.]

New breast enlargement programs: April 2020 - April 05, 2020
3 new herbal breast enlargement programs. Breast/hip enhancement results aren't in yet. Two programs are without BCP use. The composite program allows individual entries by different people with similar cases to show results from specific herb combinations for different times of the menstrual cycle.

Hops - February 09, 2020
Investigating replacements for hops Looking into valerian and passionfruit as partial replacements for hops. They have similar properties based on mood. It is underinvestigated if their effects on GABA and mood has to do with an influence on prolactin. There is not enough information on the prenylflavonoid content on passionfruit, and the flavonoid content in valerian. There is a similarity in valerian that it can cause skin sensitivity, like hops. Valerian and passionfruit should likely be avoided during proliferative phase, like hops. Beets and figs are other plants to investigate. There isn't enough information available on the phytohormone content of beets. Certain figs have hormonal properties for being used for galactagogues and preventing miscarriages. There are also anti-inflamatory properties of figs. Figs contain lignans, and flavonoids which need to be further investigated. The type of prenylflavonoid matters, in what the receptors it will target and the effect. Milkthistle is a partial substitute for hops, but it's effects are mainly on ERβ. Sunflower seed and wheat bread seemed to cause a minor improvement from allergic-like symptoms. Sunflower did improve hormone balance slightly.

Anethole & estragole - January 30, 2020
Many known stilbenes are estrogen receptor antagonists. Stilbenes and their polymers include: anethole, dianethole, estragole, tamoxifen, stilbene and stilbestrol. Spearmint and fennel contain stilbenes as active hormonal constituents. Based on anecdotal information from spearmint's and fennel's actions, anethole, dianethole and estragole are likely ERα selective. Anethole is another name for transanethole, and Stilbene is another term for transtilbene. Estragole and anethole are isomers. Dianethole and photoanethole are polymers of anethole.

Breast Development and Endocrinology, 3rd Ed - May 22, 2019
Expanded and clarified details for Breast Development and Endocrinology 3rd edition. From now on, this will be volume 1. These edits will reflect in Super Bazongas. Herb schedule will be edited, but same herb combinations will be used as basis. Future releases of Super Bazongas will be volume 2.

Super Bazongas: Note - October 05, 2019
Super Bazongas, Vol 2, is not up to date, and is currently available for archive purposes. It will be updated at a later time. See program blog for more recent information.

2019 archive - June 04, 2019

2018 archive - December 31, 2018

2017 archive - December 31, 2017

2016 archive - December 31, 2016